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| | | | | Re: Is This View Offensive to Sikhs? The science of consciousness determines what the mind observes, senses, and comprehends. The mind is similar to the pupil in the eye, in that it contracts when observing a panoramic distance view, and dilates to open when examining objects in proximity. The consciousness of the mind at times expands into a universal sense and understanding, and at other times is afflicted by such menace or trauma as to cast it into depression, and a cave of ‘here and now’. The philosopher Plato defined the cave theory, in an attempt to illustrate the mechanism and nature of the consciousness. Subjective reality lends awareness. What the mind is aware of and is able to accept and assimilate changes with neurological patterns enhancing or inhibiting thought waves thinking processes and consciousness, universal or transiently temporal. Many reach a pivotal moment or time in their lives, if not the majority and all, whereby life holds no meaning, or is deemed such an abject failing that to terminate ones own existence is preferable than prolonging a sufferance. For some suicide is a luxury ill afforded to the condemned to hell. All states of mind are relative.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/new-to-sikhism/25019-is-this-view-offensive-to-sikhs.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25019 Chemical imbalances causing a contracting of the neurons of the mind and focus upon synapses causes an individual to literally feel an overwhelming sense of despair and disparaging melancholy, sufficient to propel them towards an end. With regards to immortality, in memorandum, Jiwan Mukti is to gain liberation from the mortal into the dimension of light and immortality. This is the main purpose and objective of truth seeking, to release the souls from mortal bounds. The original ‘’Texas chain saw massacre’’ depicts entering into a state of hell and the pursuing demons of hell one is required to escape from holding the mortal bound and captive. If life is forgotten in a year or a century, then angst ridden times of unceasing despair and hopelessness too pass and are soon forgotten when light re-enters into a mind in darkness and dispels sorrow, erasing the inclement times of pain and trial, tears and struggle. Such is the nature of life and living ...
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15-May-2009, 16:11 PM
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| | | | | Re: Is This View Offensive to Sikhs? The correlation between belief systems and doctrines and what the truth seekers perceives is a delicate balance of submission and intellectual integrity. Guru Nanak professed thus, if the mind of the mortal is suitably supplicated in submission to a greater power and truth beyond his immediate line of perception and understanding he will find the wisdom of the Universe in a minute sesame seed. If the mind is plagued by fear, anger, hatred and the barriers of hatred is creates as a building block between sensory perception, intellect and illumination and the mind, then reading the scriptural texts of all religions and beliefs will not avail such a mortal. What is purity of mind, heat and spirit is the following question. It is a shedding of one’s paltry ego to don the mantle of peace and submission to universality, to The Supreme deemed incomprehensible at the outset of this journey, to become as one at the ultimate end. The devout faithful of The WaheGuru is as he. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25019 This statement is contradicted by lesser enlightened sceptics who have yet to attain spiritual purity causing the world to appear as ignorant and irredeemable as their own outlook. ‘’Sikhan di Mat Uchi, Man Neema’’ An illumined and enlightened mind steeped in the humility naturally imbued in such spiritually enriched souls. {This obviously does not apply in cases where there exists wicked forces coercing and distorting towards the oppression of an individual} This is the simplest truth. Absolute truth is a pure spiritual energy of light. It requires a devout and pure sanctum of a heart, mind and soul to shed its light. One seeker finds all the truth f the world in this simple precise logic...Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25019 . | 
18-Jul-2009, 11:19 AM
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| | | | | Re: Is This View Offensive to Sikhs? Jeetijohal Ji "All religions disclose the same message. Differences are purely cultural, traditional, racial and localised idiosyncrasies. Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network (Is This View Offensive to Sikhs?)Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25019 This is what I have been trying to drive home for years on several Muslim web sites.
I believe it goes roughly like this. It goes back to the earliest monads of primitive societies. Notions of God and creation was knowledge a priori which could not be put into words to be spoken because they didn't know themselves. This gave birth to myths and myths as metaphors to try and explain what was man's place in where he lived. As you alluded to the geology and ecology of the local area had a huge influence from dessert to the sea. An example is areas where they had yearly flooding where it affected localized myths and mushroomed from there. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25019
All of these monads had there own God and if they went to war with their neighbor and lost they assumed their neighbors God was more powerful and began worship of the new God.
This also gave rise to the powerful priests because they kept the myths and could write.
It turns out that primitive cultures all around the globe had many of the same elements such virgin births and spectacular cosmic events long before the birth of Jesus. Long before Zoroaster who was said to me born of a virgin, and here is a real shocker Kim Jong Ill's father is said to have been born of a virgin.
Anyway along it went until even today many Muslims demand a style of dress that dates back a couple thousand years if not more.
Joseph Campbell has written many books on this very subject.
How about some peace between the monads
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18-Jul-2009, 18:40 PM
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even today many Muslims demand a style of dress that dates back a couple thousand years if not more.
| You mentioned priori knowledge. 
Are Sikhs also in this category ? Parts of Dasam Granth are transliterations from Sanskrit to Punjabi of Sanatan Dharma Granths. This does not mean that they are going to be adopted as a way of life. It is an extracted history of the roots although outdated, yet have to be preserved as ancient history of our race. | | The following member appreciates Astroboy Ji for the above message. | | 
22-Jul-2009, 08:07 AM
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| | | | | Re: Is This View Offensive to Sikhs? Sorry for the delay but I am not getting alerts no matter what I try.
Anyway to be clear the monads I am speaking about are ancient very small societies. As I mentioned when one group got it's *** handed to them as a result of a conflict they would scrape their God for the victors God believing he was more powerful.
As a more recent example let's look at Zoroaster who was the first I believe to the epic struggle of good versus evil to include a good God and an evil counterpart like a prince of darkness. The Jews in their mythology had no devil prior to Z. The story is replete with virgin birth, a messiah the whole bit. It was after Zoroaster the Jews found a devil, messiah etc etc. If you read the Dead Sea Scrolls some are a direct copy from Z to include "children of the light and much more. The Muslims rewrote Z and to make things convenient claim him as an earlier Muslim prophet. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25019
But to get back to your question yes Sikhs and everyone else figures in the scheme but of course not Z's that was just an example I used for Messianic faiths. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25019
This is what I think. There really is plenty of evidence.
Peace
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