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If however god means a one-ness with the universe and nature, and is more concerned with the natural laws of the universe we are bound by then yes that type of god is totally consistent with Atheism (this is what Einstein believed).
Well, then Einstein, Bertrand Russell and others of the same ilk were subliminally Sikhs. Guru Nanak explains the above in the Mool Mantar and in the Jap very well. I call Mool Mantar the blueprint of Sikhi, Jap its foundation and the rest of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is full of sketches based on the above blue print and foundation to help us erect our own spiritual buildings depending on our quest.

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I know I will be chastised, but in response to the concern that inter-faith marriages may result in children not being raised Sikh...shouldn't human beings choose what faith they believe in? Also, shouldn't human beings choose who to marry? And if you have two Sikh parents, there is no guarantee the children will end up Sikh.

I was raised by very strict, traditional, Indian Sikh parents. Religion was shoved down my throat and I was almost kicked out of the house for cutting my beard. With that much Sikh exposure, I ended up an atheist. On the other hand, my brother is an extremely devout Sikh (took Amrit, does Sewa, no alcohol, does not tie his beard).

So, I would argue that children should be taught morals and exposed to a variety of different viewpoints (so they're not sheltered) and not be forced to be a particular religion (guided yes, forced no). Besides, is it really possible to force someone to believe something? Children may "agree" to it out of fear but that's not truly believing.

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No chastisement or criticism here.

I for one was brought up in a strict Sikh family and rebelled, with no belief in God for many years (sorry to shock the forum).

I then realised my families concept of Sikhism was skewed (Sant/Baba) and someone explained the first lines of MulMatra to me.

When God was described a Sat or Truth and Akaal Moorat, beyond Time and Space, that blew my mind.

The idea that it was a very personal concept and not big beardy man in the Sky was great. For me, the concept of God is not the Semetic concept, but definitely the elusive Sikh one......something along the lines of The Force in the Star Wars films.
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Dear Randip Singh Ji,

Thank you for your reply! Just one question, what do you mean when you say "Sant/Baba" in terms of Sikhism being skewed?
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Dear Randip Singh Ji,

Thank you for your reply! Just one question, what do you mean when you say "Sant/Baba" in terms of Sikhism being skewed?
Basically its a case of too many chefs spoiling the broth!

We have the Guru Granth Sahib ji, so we really don't need self appointed Saints, Babas leaders giving us their own spin on what the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji teaches us. Read it for yourself and try and study it.
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Who is saying that it is disgrace if Punjabi sikh girl marries a Black sikh Guy?

The reason people Don't like sikh Girls marrying non sikh guys because a very large majority of them end up converting to their husbands faith and raise non sikh children.Now you cannot expect sikhs to appreciate this

Why?

Are we Muslims that get upset and angry when 'one of ours' converts to another faith?

Or are we Hindus who segregate and diffirentiate the human race?

Or are we Christians who belive that those who do not believe as we do will go to hell?

No no my freind we are Sikh, who see the oneness of the universe. What does it matter if your kids choose another faith?
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Why?

Are we Muslims that get upset and angry when 'one of ours' converts to another faith?

Or are we Hindus who segregate and diffirentiate the human race?

Or are we Christians who belive that those who do not believe as we do will go to hell?

No no my freind we are Sikh, who see the oneness of the universe. What does it matter if your kids choose another faith?
It does matter to a religion.imagine if in 18th century instead of sacrificing sikhs would had accepted islam and refuse to fight by saying that sufism is so close to islam
we should convert to it islam.Then this beautiful Religion would have never reached 21st century.


Tell me Dear lee if another generation of sikhs would never come then Sikhism will surely die.If It has to die then why the hell we are fighting all over the world for our rights.

Also lee ji I want to tell you that in entire sikh history sikhs always had harsh attitude to people who left sikhism Either out greed out of greed or anything.
While we always have high regards for people who never left sikhism and gave sacrifice for it.If you think this attitude is going to change then it is not going to happen
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It does matter to a religion.imagine if in 18th century instead of sacrificing sikhs would had accepted islam and refuse to fight by saying that sufism is so close to islam
we should convert to it islam.Then this beautiful Religion would have never reached 21st century.


Tell me Dear lee if another generation of sikhs would never come then Sikhism will surely die.If It has to die then why the hell we are fighting all over the world for our rights.

Also lee ji I want to tell you that in entire sikh history sikhs always had harsh attitude to people who left sikhism Either out greed out of greed or anything.
While we always have high regards for people who never left sikhism and gave sacrifice for it.If you think this attitude is going to change then it is not going to happen
Then that is a sad thing my freind. Do you not see that love of the path above love of God is not a good thing?

Personaly for me the path is just a path, one of many to take, it suits me which is why I follow it, it may not suit others, so out of love, as God is all, then let them follow whichever path they like.
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Then that is a sad thing my freind. Do you not see that love of the path above love of God is not a good thing?

Personaly for me the path is just a path, one of many to take, it suits me which is why I follow it, it may not suit others, so out of love, as God is all, then let them follow whichever path they like.

Dear Lee

First I want to read this a quote which I read worldsikhnews.com
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Sikhism developed into an independent religion. A new religion always produces a new nation. Guru Gobind Singh formalized the Sikhs as a distinct nation, vested it with an ever- ascending morale and inexhaustible energy and launched it into time towards the goal of sovereignty. The Guru taught his Sikhs that sovereignty is necessary for the progress of religion and people, divorced from religion, are always treaded down. Sikhism faced as much hostility from Hinduism as from Islam. Enmity between religions is natural and permanent. The law of “struggle for survival” applies to religions as well as living organisms. When a religion expands, expansion being a mode of survival, it encroaches on the territory of some other religion and then conflict is inevitable.

Brotherly coexistence between different religions is a myth. The preaching of brotherhood between religions is useful for the peace and stability of society. But it is only palliative. It rather plants confusion in the minds of people and disables them to understand and face reality.

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Love of the path is very important .If you Don't love that Path and don't try preserve it then my friend It will vanish 50-100 years.By hook or crook Other Religions will assilimate it.

Tell me Dear lee How many lovely Paths to God were started in India.But unfortunately most of them assimilated in Hinduism or islam.Only sikhism and few others are able to make it to 21st century.And if today and tommorow's generation don't preserve it then it will meet the same fate what many other paths to god met
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Dear Lee

First I want to read this a quote which I read worldsikhnews.com
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Sikhism developed into an independent religion. A new religion always produces a new nation. Guru Gobind Singh formalized the Sikhs as a distinct nation, vested it with an ever- ascending morale and inexhaustible energy and launched it into time towards the goal of sovereignty. The Guru taught his Sikhs that sovereignty is necessary for the progress of religion and people, divorced from religion, are always treaded down. Sikhism faced as much hostility from Hinduism as from Islam. Enmity between religions is natural and permanent. The law of “struggle for survival” applies to religions as well as living organisms. When a religion expands, expansion being a mode of survival, it encroaches on the territory of some other religion and then conflict is inevitable.

Brotherly coexistence between different religions is a myth. The preaching of brotherhood between religions is useful for the peace and stability of society. But it is only palliative. It rather plants confusion in the minds of people and disables them to understand and face reality.

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Love of the path is very important .If you Don't love that Path and don't try preserve it then my friend It will vanish 50-100 years.By hook or crook Other Religions will assilimate it.

Tell me Dear lee How many lovely Paths to God were started in India.But unfortunately most of them assimilated in Hinduism or islam.Only sikhism and few others are able to make it to 21st century.And if today and tommorow's generation don't preserve it then it will meet the same fate what many other paths to god met

Kanwardeep ji,

These words I find disturbing and not indicitive of the Sikhi I know, do you know who wrote them?

Not only do I find them disturbing but I can also spot some untruths there as well. People divorced from religoin are hardly trodden down, do you not think my freind?

Brotherly coexistance between differing faiths is not a myth. Now I have said that which is the complete opposite of that which you have posted (from worldsikhnews.com). Of course I cannot show that this opinion that I have uttered is true, but can you show me how what you have posted is any truer?

Whether Sikhi as a dharma disapears from the world I simply cannot say, so how can you claim that in 50-100 years it will be gone, assimilated by other religoins? Can you then see into the future?

My friend these words you speak stem from fear, you may fear that Sikhi may go, but isn't that all in the hands of God anyway?

Finaly please answer this if you would. What would it matter if there where no longer any Sikhs in 100 years time?
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