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Old 20-May-2006, 08:55 AM
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As i have said many times... i am mixed. My Parents did not share the same religion and still dont even today.
As for a Sikh marrying a Sikh being a sin... no one can really answer that question because it is up to Akal Purakh what is a Sin and what is not. We can all come up woth both pros and cons for this topic.
I will start with the Cons, as the are most obvious.1) Because parents have different religions, they may not have the same values which can cause problems when trying to raise children. 2) The children may feel confused as to not upset their parents when " choosing" a religion.
3) Because the partners are follwing complete different paths in life, it may be hard to keep a calm and peaceful household, which in turn does not help the children to grow and learn.

And now the Pros:
1) The children will beable to learn about both religions, making them beable to really "choose" which they feel most connected to. We must not forget that every religion guides us on a different path towards the ONE goal.
2) The children will not grow up in a set religion, so once again they have more choice to follow their heart and soul. Many people have said " I'm Sikh, because my parents are" and not because they fell in love with Guru Ji.
3) The parents will have the opportunity to show their children that every religion is equal, because there are soo many people who tend to think or say things like" My god is better than your god" and other nonsense like that. But with parents of different faiths, chilldren will learn to resepct every religion."
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As we can see, there are both good and bad things about this, but as for it being a sin...

Wow..sorry that was pretty long, before i finish i just want to say that this is totally just my opinion from what i have personally experiences through out my life.
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Tell you what friends since we all can tell between right and wrong, pros and cons BUT yet we can't tell whether it is a sin, let me forward this forum page of ours to a person in the gurdwara who may be able to help us clear our doubt.
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Once I get a reply from him/her, I will post the reply here.

Till then keep posting...
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Q1) Is it a sin for a Sikh to marry a non-sikh even though he stays in Sikhism and his partner remains in her religion?
Yes! I have been faced with the same question recently from a friend. As an amritdahri Panj give you Hukam to marry a tyar by tyar Gursikh. An amritdharhi can only marry an amritdharhi. How can you marry some one of another faith? You cant have an anand karaj, its not done now but before anand karaj the granthi use to ask the couple if tehy arte both amritdharhi. If not he would ask when they will take amrit and maybe ask some one from sangat to take responsibility of helping the person. If you haven’t taken vows with Guroo how can you commite to some one?

A Sikh needs another Sikh to help them to over come the tasks that will be thrown at them while on this path. Your rani bane, way of living needs to be the same for you to be able to live a life in harmony. In Sikhi we get married and are seen as one unit you help each other.

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Q2) Is it a sin for a Sikh to marry a non-sikh and converts to his partner's religion?
How can a Sikh convert? one wwho has tasted the sweetnes of a nectar which has such an everlasting taste. one who is emuled forever in the colour of gurbani, naam, and Gursikhi jeevan. One who has killed the 5 choor will not convert for anything esspecially not worldly attachements.
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Old 22-May-2006, 11:57 AM
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It is NOT a SIN for a sikh to marry a non-sikh IF HE HIMSELF DOES NOT CONVERT TO THE OTHER RELIGION AND HIS OFFSPRINGS FOLLOW HIS RELIGION. OTHERWISE ITS A SIN.
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But here are the reasons WHY ONE SHOULD NOT MARRY A NON SIKH OF IT HE DOES WHAT PRECAUTIONS SHOULD THE PERSON TAKE. :

1. The Sikh should continue to his religion in all circumstances.
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2. He SHOULD NOT at any cost change his religion.
3. He should persuade his partner to convert to his religion, if possible. Because Mother is the teacher of childrens if she is of different religion the childrens are bound to follow the said religion.
4. At any cost his offspring should follow his religion.

Reason : Guru has respected all religions and has advised us to follow our respective religions.

Thus in the instant questions there are following options one should follow depending upon the rigidity of his partner:

OPTION ONE : The sikh follows his religion and the partner follows her religion but the offsprings follow the SIKH religion.

OPTION TWO : The partner to convert to SIKH religion.

OPTION THREE : The offsprings evenly follow the religion of parents. i.e if there are two children one should follow SIKHISM and the other the other one.

BOTTOM LINE OF THE QUESTION IS :
SIKHISM IS ALREADY IN DANGER THE EXISTING SIKHS ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE 5 K's OF GURU GOBIND SINGH. PLEASE FOR GODS SAKE INCREASE YOUR COMMUNITY AND DONT LET IT GOES INSTINCT. SIKHISM IS THE MOST RECENT AND PRACTICAL RELIGION AND PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DONT LET IT DOWN AND GET EXTINCT.
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Old 25-May-2006, 00:01 AM
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Our Gurus Preached That We Are All One , The Sikhs , Hindus , Christans , Muslims Are Are All Diffeennt Ways To Achieve The Same One God We Call Wahe Guru.
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It Can Never Be A Sin For A Sikh To Marry A Non Sikh. Rather You Shall Be Rewarded By God For Unifying People Foolishly Divided On A Issue Like God.

I Am Sure God Will Give You Blessing In Your True Partners.

Dont Worry For Children They Shall Find There Own Way To God By Many Difenent Ways Sikhi Being One Of Them.
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It's not a sin. The Gurus taught us that all people are equal in the eyes of God. and all people have their own way of reaching God. Just because we are Sikh does not give us "exclusive" access to achiving salvation with God. Everyone has equal right to reach God and we cannot judge them on their way of viewing God. We are all equal in the eyes of God. Children will find their own way to God just like everyone else. There is no right religion, there is no right way to view God. In the end we are all the same. We are all equal. We can marry whoever we want in God's eyes.
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my question about this topic is this, why would it be written in the "code of conduct" that only a sikh can marry a sikh? It seems to go against everything the religion stands for.

and yet it says in the Rehat Maryada:

Anand Sanskar (Lit. Joyful Ceremonial: Sikh Matrimonial Conventions and Ceremony)
Article XVIII

(a) A Sikh man and woman should enter wedlock without giving thought to the prospective spouse's caste and descent.
(b) A Sikh's daughter must be married to a Sikh.


my personal opinion is that it was meant in the literal sense of the word (which means student, or disciple as far as i know, correct me if im wrong). so basically it means a sikh should marry someone who is also a student of god (Trying to find god).
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although in the real word thats not at all how it happens, if your not born a sikh (although i think its something you have to actively want and pursue, i dont think just becuase your parents are sikh you can call yourself a sikh, but i guess thats another debate), and you try and date/marry a sikh, it is BIG problems. I'm in the middle of such a situation right now actually.

You hear things like, its a disgrace to the family, dont go outside the culture etc. etc.

In my opinion its a disgrace to sikhism to have such an attitude all the while calling yourself a sikh. How many sikh arranged marriages end with abuse/alcoholism because neither parnter is happy? And yet the VAST majority of "sikhs" view that as acceptable and a marriage between two people who love and respect each other (and god), is viewed as unnacceptable and wrong if one was not born into a sikh family.
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Im fairly confident god would favor a loving supportive marriage between two equal partners more then one where the woman is treated as property and abused and disrepected.

The very definition of marriage in sikhism seems to be forgetten in favor of a superiority complex where no one can accept someone of a different race/culture/descent.
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The very definition of marriage in sikhism seems to be forgetten in favor of a superiority complex where no one can accept someone of a different race/culture/descent.
This is a great reminder. People born in Sikh religion are first to mis-understand the wonderful principles, hence mis-lead other aspirants. This is a huge generalization I know, but commonly found true.

I feel comfortable to read the actual thing, instead of looking at the followers, who may not actually know, and may be just doing that as a(n) (unnecessary) ritual!
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my question about this topic is this, why would it be written in the "code of conduct" that only a sikh can marry a sikh? It seems to go against everything the religion stands for.

and yet it says in the Rehat Maryada:

Anand Sanskar (Lit. Joyful Ceremonial: Sikh Matrimonial Conventions and Ceremony)
Article XVIII
(a) A Sikh man and woman should enter wedlock without giving thought to the prospective spouse's caste and descent.
(b) A Sikh's daughter must be married to a Sikh.


my personal opinion is that it was meant in the literal sense of the word (which means student, or disciple as far as i know, correct me if im wrong). so basically it means a sikh should marry someone who is also a student of god (Trying to find god).

although in the real word thats not at all how it happens, if your not born a sikh (although i think its something you have to actively want and pursue, i dont think just becuase your parents are sikh you can call yourself a sikh, but i guess thats another debate), and you try and date/marry a sikh, it is BIG problems. I'm in the middle of such a situation right now actually.

You hear things like, its a disgrace to the family, dont go outside the culture etc. etc.

In my opinion its a disgrace to sikhism to have such an attitude all the while calling yourself a sikh. How many sikh arranged marriages end with abuse/alcoholism because neither parnter is happy? And yet the VAST majority of "sikhs" view that as acceptable and a marriage between two people who love and respect each other (and god), is viewed as unnacceptable and wrong if one was not born into a sikh family.

Im fairly confident god would favor a loving supportive marriage between two equal partners more then one where the woman is treated as property and abused and disrepected.

The very definition of marriage in sikhism seems to be forgetten in favor of a superiority complex where no one can accept someone of a different race/culture/descent.
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This disgarcefull attribute is more due to inroads made by pagan jattism or punjabiism in Gurmat.

Such thing is more bad to panth then to say influnece of Brahminiam and Hinduism.

As latter can be seen easyly but former people do not want to see and prefer to close the eyes.
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