Advice Required

k12satnam · #1 (**permalink**) 01-Nov-2006, 00:42 AM

SSA.
I belong to a jatt family and would like to marry a Ramgarihan. We both are afraid to tell our parents. I would like to gather some information on both castes before bringing it up with our families. Can someone please advise if this is possible. My family is a hard core jatt who think that all rishtay must be done in Jatts.
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some one help please

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kaur-1 · #2 (**permalink**) 01-Nov-2006, 01:05 AM

Waheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguroo Ji Ki Fateh

Guru Nanak Ji abolished the caste system.

"Guru Nanak Dev disparagingly condemned caste-prejudices. To do away with this social malady he set an example. He visited Bhai Lalo an 'out-caste', and both had their meals together, giving a shocking surprise to the village-folk. Moreover, Mardana, the life-long companion of Guru Sahib was minstrel, coming from 'low-caste'."
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A "practising" Sikh does NOT believe in or practise the caste system.

p/s: If i were you, I would just go ahead and marry your Sikh lady. If your parents tell you otherwise as regards to the "caste", I would say to them are they Sikhs or Hindus.

Question is, are you the son of Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj.

k12satnam · #3 (**permalink**) 01-Nov-2006, 23:58 PM

Yes, I understand that. However can you tell me if a Ramgarhia boy will be accepted in Jatt community

kaur-1 · #4 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2006, 00:59 AM

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Originally Posted by k12satnam

Yes, I understand that. However can you tell me if a Ramgarhia boy will be accepted in Jatt community

I dont understand where your family or you are coming from.

A true Sikh will not even ask this question.!!

sekhon · #5 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2006, 19:21 PM

The problem is my family does have these concerns. That's why I'm looking for help at this website. I need a logical answer to convince them. Though I agree with your opinion but it's not sufficient to satisfy them.

kaur-1 · #6 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2006, 19:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sekhon

The problem is my family does have these concerns. That's why I'm looking for help at this website. I need a logical answer to convince them. Though I agree with your opinion but it's not sufficient to satisfy them.

Dear Sekhon,

Have you even told them that in Sikhi, we dont believe in caste system!

For goodness sake man!. They are the adults here and they dont even know what Guru Nanaks teachings all about.!!!!!!

Convincing them!. Oh Dear!..

I give up.!

Jaspal Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2006, 22:09 PM

In the translation of verses, author confused social status with Caste.

So whereever there is mention of social status ,in the following verses, the word in Guru Granth Sahib ji is Caste.

Page:1127
No one should be proud of his social class and status. He alone is a Brahmin, who knows God. || 1 || Do not be proud of your social class and status, you ignorant fool!

Page 349:
Recognize the Lord's Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. || 1 || Pause ||

Page 369:
Social status and beauty will not go with you hereafter. As are the deeds done here, so does one become.
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Page 469:
In the world hereafter, social status and power mean nothing; hereafter, the soul is new.

Page 1094:
Hereafter, no one is questioned about social status; excellent and sublime is the practice of the Word of the Shabad.
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vijaydeep Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 03-Nov-2006, 20:33 PM

Gurfateh

Jatts may have some reason,they think that thier breed or Nasl shoul not be mixed with other blood so that in bulit gentical things reamin within them.
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Das has an aunt(Chachi),who wanted to marry off her girl to Mona but not Sirdar Bhapa.

Das thinks thoss guys are less of Sikhs and more of jatts.

so Sekhon Bhai,

First let you and your girl freind tell both of you family about marrige.If any or both disagree,then you can make you own family.
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Ovrtly supporting caste can lead to Tankha from Sikh community.So if you Parents or Parents in Law do not behave.Matter can be Taken to Akal Takhat and thier Sikhi can stand Cancel.

Such issues are more imporatan then say thrwoing Afghana Ji or Ghugga ji off the Panth.Forgive for being offensive.Das himslef has father with Virk/Solanki side.But this is Sikh only.

Lionchild · #9 (**permalink**) 04-Nov-2006, 13:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sekhon

The problem is my family does have these concerns. That's why I'm looking for help at this website. I need a logical answer to convince them. Though I agree with your opinion but it's not sufficient to satisfy them.

I never heard of this before, and i'm quite shocked. In any case, all that can be done make the decision your self and don't worry about your family. Family can be some cumbersome...