The Un-named Path

Scarlet Pimpernel · #10 (**permalink**) 18-Sep-2011, 14:50 PM

Veer Ji, I was reading that page, when the thread got deleted ,seemed very apt ,I did not search for it ,sometimes there is such a thing as an inconvenient truth ,is vichaar in itself enough,can we think our way through Gurbani without faith to the one who created thought,what if vichar is contaminated by our attachment to Maya and does not realisation of the true principle of each page of Gurbani overide our subjective vichar of the line .Perhaps it is realising ,which gives life it's meaning.
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harry haller · #11 (**permalink**) 18-Sep-2011, 18:54 PM

Sinner Veerji
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/leisure/36960-the-un-named-path.html

How can give up Maya unless one is alone, and not responsible for others? Especially if the ones we are responsible for still embrace Maya, surely it is better to put Maya into perspective, no?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36960

I am pretty sure we have already established that the 5 thieves are not there to be smitten, but like bleach, to be used with wisdom and when needed

spnadmin · #12 (**permalink**) 19-Sep-2011, 03:49 AM

Here some questions to consider Harry ji?

Are we to give up Maya?

Did the Gurusahibhan reject Maya? Or did they say Maya is real?

Can we give up Maya, if Maya is the way we make sense of, encounter, the natural order of life as we live it on the planet, in our limited ways?

Is it the giving up of Maya, or is it taking a different perspective on Maya, that the shabads ask us to consider?

This pauree gives some insight into the answer. Pauree 1 from Japji Sahib.

Quote:

ਸੋਚੈ ਸੋਚਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਸੋਚੀ ਲਖ ਵਾਰ ॥
सोचै सोचि न होवई जे सोची लख वार ॥
Socẖai socẖ na hova▫ī je socẖī lakẖ vār.
By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

ਚੁਪੈ ਚੁਪ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਲਾਇ ਰਹਾ ਲਿਵ ਤਾਰ ॥
चुपै चुप न होवई जे लाइ रहा लिव तार ॥
Cẖupai cẖup na hova▫ī je lā▫e rahā liv ṯār.
By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

ਭੁਖਿਆ ਭੁਖ ਨ ਉਤਰੀ ਜੇ ਬੰਨਾ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਭਾਰ ॥
भुखिआ भुख न उतरी जे बंना पुरीआ भार ॥
Bẖukẖi▫ā bẖukẖ na uṯrī je bannā purī▫ā bẖār.
The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.

ਸਹਸ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਲਖ ਹੋਹਿ ਤ ਇਕ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਨਾਲਿ ॥
सहस सिआणपा लख होहि त इक न चलै नालि ॥
Sahas si▫āṇpā lakẖ hohi ṯa ik na cẖalai nāl.
Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.

ਕਿਵ ਸਚਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਈਐ ਕਿਵ ਕੂੜੈ ਤੁਟੈ ਪਾਲਿ ॥
किव सचिआरा होईऐ किव कूड़ै तुटै पालि ॥
Kiv sacẖi▫ārā ho▫ī▫ai kiv kūrhai ṯutai pāl.
So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥
हुकमि रजाई चलणा नानक लिखिआ नालि ॥१॥
Hukam rajā▫ī cẖalṇā Nānak likẖi▫ā nāl. ||1||
O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||

harry haller · #13 (**permalink**) 19-Sep-2011, 03:52 AM

ok now I feel like a small child at school.....

I dont know miss, I will have to look it up and put my homework in later

spnadmin · #14 (**permalink**) 19-Sep-2011, 03:54 AM

I added some Gurbani to my earlier statement.

harry haller · #15 (**permalink**) 19-Sep-2011, 03:58 AM

Spnadminji

You have no idea how much the wife of your granthi has inspired/affected my thinking, before I make an utter fool of myself (again) could you help me out here given my thoughts on her at the time.....

spnadmin · #16 (**permalink**) 19-Sep-2011, 04:00 AM

Sure I will do that!

I wanted to add that our Gurus were all married men. They had children. They were betrayed by some of their offspring and they were supported by others. They were surrounded by the politics of the daramsala and the palace. They knew all about Maya and how real it is. So these our Gurus were not strangers to your feelings.

harry haller · #17 (**permalink**) 19-Sep-2011, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by spnadmin

Here some questions to consider Harry ji?

Are we to give up Maya? NO

Did the Gurusahibhan reject Maya? Or did they say Maya is real? They said it was real

Can we give up Maya, if Maya is the way we make sense of, encounter, the natural order of life as we live it on the planet, in our limited ways? We can but we would be ascetics

Is it the giving up of Maya, or is it taking a different perspective on Maya, that the shabads ask us to consider? A different perspective

This pauree gives some insight into the answer. Pauree 1 from Japji Sahib.

OK i did have some help, do I get an A

Ambarsaria · #18 (**permalink**) 19-Sep-2011, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

OK i did have some help, do I get an A

Harry Haller ji as a self appointed (

) lesser qualified and less mannered substitute teacher, I give you an A+.

But remember you will have hard time recalling such Kindergarten class grades later on in life and your schooling

.

Sat Sri Akal.