Japji Sahib - "Suniai" is "Listening" - but much more than that

jagmeet · #28 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2008, 22:11 PM

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Originally Posted by namjap

Malār mehlā 1.
Malaar, First Mehl:

ਜਿਨਿ ਧਨ ਪਿਰ ਕਾ ਸਾਦੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਸਾ ਬਿਲਖ ਬਦਨ ਕੁਮਲਾਨੀ ॥
जिनि धन पिर का सादु न जानिआ सा बिलख बदन कुमलानी ॥
Jin ḏẖan pir kā sāḏ na jāniā sā bilakẖ baḏan kumlānī.
The soul-bride who has not known delight with her Husband Lord, shall weep and wail with a wretched face.

ਭਈ ਨਿਰਾਸੀ ਕਰਮ ਕੀ ਫਾਸੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਨੀ ॥੧॥
भई निरासी करम की फासी बिनु गुर भरमि भुलानी ॥१॥
Bẖaī nirāsī karam kī fāsī bin gur bẖaram bẖulānī. ||1||
She becomes hopeless, caught in the noose of her own karma; without the Guru, she wanders deluded by doubt. ||1||

ਬਰਸੁ ਘਨਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਪਿਰੁ ਘਰਿ ਆਇਆ ॥
बरसु घना मेरा पिरु घरि आइआ ॥
Baras gẖanā mėrā pir gẖar āiā.
So rain down, O clouds. My Husband Lord has come home.

ਬਲਿ ਜਾਵਾਂ ਗੁਰ ਅਪਨੇ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮ ਜਿਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਆਣਿ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
बलि जावां गुर अपने प्रीतम जिनि हरि प्रभु आणि मिलाइआ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Bal jāvāŉ gur apnė parīṯam jin har parabẖ āṇ milāiā. ||1|| rahāo.
I am a sacrifice to my Guru, who has led me to meet my Lord God. ||1||Pause||

ਨਉਤਨ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਸਦਾ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਸਿਉ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਭਗਤਿ ਸੁਹਾਵੀ ॥
नउतन प्रीति सदा ठाकुर सिउ अनदिनु भगति सुहावी ॥
Nauṯan parīṯ saḏā ṯẖākur sio anḏin bẖagaṯ suhāvī.
My love, my Lord and Master is forever fresh; I am embellished with devotional worship night and day.

ਮੁਕਤਿ ਭਏ ਗੁਰਿ ਦਰਸੁ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ ਜੁਗਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਸੁਭਾਵੀ ॥੨॥
मुकति भए गुरि दरसु दिखाइआ जुगि जुगि भगति सुभावी ॥२॥
Mukaṯ bẖaė gur ḏaras ḏikẖāiā jug jug bẖagaṯ subẖāvī. ||2||
I am liberated, gazing on the Blessed Vision of the Guru's Darshan. Devotional worship has made me glorious and exalted throughout the ages. ||2||

ਹਮ ਥਾਰੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਜਗੁ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਤੂ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਉ ਤੇਰਾ ॥
हम थारे त्रिभवण जगु तुमरा तू मेरा हउ तेरा ॥
Ham thārė ṯaribẖavaṇ jag ṯumrā ṯū mėrā hao ṯėrā.
I am Yours; the three worlds are Yours as well. You are mine, and I am Yours.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਨ ਭਵਜਲਿ ਫੇਰਾ ॥੩॥
सतिगुरि मिलिऐ निरंजनु पाइआ बहुरि न भवजलि फेरा ॥३॥
Saṯgur miliai niranjan pāiā bahur na bẖavjal fėrā. ||3||
Meeting with the True Guru, I have found the Immaculate Lord; I shall not be consigned to this terrifying world-ocean ever again. ||3||

ਅਪੁਨੇ ਪਿਰ ਹਰਿ ਦੇਖਿ ਵਿਗਾਸੀ ਤਉ ਧਨ ਸਾਚੁ ਸੀਗਾਰੋ ॥
अपुने पिर हरि देखि विगासी तउ धन साचु सीगारो ॥
Apunė pir har ḏėkẖ vigāsī ṯao ḏẖan sācẖ sīgāro.
If the soul-bride is filled with delight on seeing her Husband Lord, then her decorations are true.

ਅਕੁਲ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਸਿਉ ਸਚਿ ਸਾਚੀ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਧਾਰੋ ॥੪॥
अकुल निरंजन सिउ सचि साची गुरमति नामु अधारो ॥४॥
Akul niranjan sio sacẖ sācẖī gurmaṯ nām aḏẖāro. ||4||
With the Immaculate Celestial Lord, she becomes the truest of the true. Following the Guru's Teachings, she leans on the Support of the Naam. ||4||

ਮੁਕਤਿ ਭਈ ਬੰਧਨ ਗੁਰਿ ਖੋਲ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਸਬਦਿ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਪਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥
मुकति भई बंधन गुरि खोल्हे सबदि सुरति पति पाई ॥
Mukaṯ bẖaī banḏẖan gur kẖolĥė sabaḏ suraṯ paṯ pāī.
She is liberated; the Guru has untied her bonds. Focusing her awareness on the Shabad, she attains honor.

ਨਾਨਕ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਿਦ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲਾਈ ॥੫॥੪॥
नानक राम नामु रिद अंतरि गुरमुखि मेलि मिलाई ॥५॥४॥
Nānak rām nām riḏ anṯar gurmukẖ mėl milāī. ||5||4||
O Nanak, the Lord's Name is deep within her heart; as Gurmukh, she is united in His Union. ||5||4||
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Jagmeet ji,

The closest thing to your physical body is your heart beat and your swaas (breathing).

The closest thing to Soul (our real self) is Naam which is the Celestial Music we (souls) hear. Our individuality as a separate soul still remains even after physical death because beyond the physical are other dimensions life. Life after death of the physical body continues but it is not merger with God. Our physical existence has the shortest span while our emotional body (also known as Astral body) continues its existence without changing into another astral body. Merger with God is not possible until impurities of the mind are reduced to a merger level. That's when HIS grace does the merger.

If one does not hear the Anhad Dhun, it doesn't mean it isn't here.

Just like the heart beats because it is made from the body or part of the embryo developed into an organ, so is Soul developed from the nourishment of the Celestial Music. Without the wisdom of Guru Ji, soul development can take ages. Guru Ji's wisdom quickens the process of merger with God.

Why does everyone stick with the same story when explaining spiritual matters?
That because it has gained a wider acceptance level. But reality and theory differ way too widely. Spiritual wisdom cannot be put into words. Only can be experienced.

When you have trained yourself to hear the Anhad Dhun (Naam) it will take you in stages of realization and one such stage is that this sound current is not just heard but also part of you without which soul cannot exist in the worlds of separation (from God).

Thank you (and others) for the answer(s).To be able to get god's grace and hear the naam(anhad dhun as you say) should one do repetition of God's name(is this different from naam?)--or something else also?

Pl. shed some more light on sabad surati.

kaur-1 · #29 (**permalink**) 28-Jan-2008, 03:38 AM

I remember these words used alot "surt , surtee and dhian.." by my parents when we were young and doing our homework etc.. he he

Punjabi Dictionary : SURT

consciousness, awareness, understanding, mental activity or functioning, sanity, attention;power of reflection and recollection, memory

Narayanjot Kaur · #30 (**permalink**) 28-Jan-2008, 06:55 AM

jagmeet ji

Do not despair. The discussion of "surt" is hard to follow for me too. Very mystical, very subjective. There are people who have written page upon page about this, and how to "pull in the surt." What to do. Why to do it. The right way to do it. What happens if you do it.

You may just have to "experience" it once to understand it for yourself. It may be that "surt" is one of those things that reading and writing make even harder to understand. Making it too theoretical. Perhaps it is a more natural process-- Like getting the butter-fly stroke right for the first time when swimming -- and then you don't have to think about it again.

BhagatSingh · #31 (**permalink**) 28-Jan-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee

Jagmeet, Cyber Sangat,

This seems correct to me, also to touch upon God's presence within and without the universe. I always thought that before the universe, there was only God, and when God made the universe God made it out of God.

So in a very real sense, the universe can be said to be at least in part the body of God?

Cheers,

lee.

well, bani also says God is formless. What kind of things are formless? feelings, ideas, relations, etc. So God is this idea/feeling/relation?