Japji Sahib - Pauri 4 - Guru Granth Sahib

@tejwant Singh
U r welcome to ask questions. And yes sir I will be kind enough to explain the meaning of
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ਨਾਉ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਛੋਡਹੁ ਦੁਨਿ ਪਰੀਤਾll ਪ੍ਰਣਵਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸਨਿ ਦਾਸਾ ਜਗਿ ਹਾਰਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਜੀਤਾll
But before that I have some questions for you.
1. 1.What do you mean by “Body Clock”. Whose concept is this??? Is this from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji??
2. 2.Your post tells me that you are 56 yrs of age. I’d like to know how have you been remembering the god??? By some actions or by just “PARROTING” the gurbaani??
3.

I Quote you “Do you mean our Gurus, starting with Guru Nanak worked against the nature and did not care about our body clock with whose help our bodies work?
Do you think they would advice us to discard nature in this manner?
What would be the reason behind it if your contention is correct? Can you please shed some light on it.”
Now I ask you “ you talked about nature??? Are we working according to the nature?? By reading this comment of yours I can sense that you think “Waking up early at so called amrit wela is against the nature”. I also sense that you mean that guru sahib was against getting up early or at amrit wela??? My friend you are thinking directly opposite to guru sahib.

I quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
ਪਰਭਾਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਿ ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਚਰਣ ਧਿਆਇ
ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਮਲੁ ਉਤਰੈ ਸਚੇ ਕੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ (sri guru arjan dev ji pg 1099)
Baba farid says in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ,pg 1383
ਫਰੀਦਾ ਪਿਛਲ ਰਾਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਗਿਓਹਿ ਜੀਵਦਡੋ ਮੁਇਓਹਿ

Farid says if you are still sleeping at the time when the night is about to finish “ਪਿਛਲ ਰਾਤਿ” means the almost end of night, you are nothing more than a dead man. Why guru sahib included this verse in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji??? Just because guru saheb’s teachings are also the same.
SO I DON’T AGREE WITH YOU AT ALL THAT GURU SAHEB WERE AGAINST GETTING UP AT 2 a.m or amrit vela.
So this is not against the nature , this is what guru sahib told us. Now I’ll tell you why amrit vela is so important.
I’ll quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ,pg734
ਹਰਿ ਧਨੁ ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲੈ ਵਤੈ ਕਾ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਭਗਤ ਖਾਇ ਖਰਚਿ ਰਹੇ ਨਿਖੁਟੈ ਨਾਹੀ

My friend only a farmer or a jatt sikh would know that if you sow seed in the ground when its on “VATT” I don’t know the English literary meaning of “vatt” but if u sow when the soil is on vat then the growth of the plant will be maximum and it will grow. In the same manner amrit wela is the time when the soul is on “VATT” and the seed of naam can make good hold in your soul. This example is given by Guru sahib. I hope now u understand that guru sahib were not against it but they came to teach us fools.
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So here not only I have explained u the meaning of the tuk or verse u asked about but I have also given you more examples from gurbaani, I have also made it clear to you that don’t keep it in your mind that guru sahib were against the nature but it is we the people who are against his nature.

The next thing now. I quote
“Aren't thinking of the family and business even in the Gurdwara which may help us give new ideas to make our family and business better parts of Miri-Piri concept of Sikhi way of life?”

I want to ask you my friend
Did you come to this world to make a good business??? Its ok that we cant live the life of sanyasis as its also forbidden in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. But if you have read the gurbaani you would not have asked me this question because its clearly mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that the aim of the man who is sent on this world is not “TO MAKE THEIR BUSINESS”

What is the aim then???
Guru arjan dev ji has said “bhai prapat manukh dehuriya,Gobind Milan ki eh teri bariya”
Now after reading this the question which should come to your mind is “How to meet with GOBIND or GOD then??” But I guess it wont. SO I’ll tell you sir,guru amardas ji says on pg 109-110

ਕਰਮੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮਿਲਾਏ llਸੇਵਾ ਸੁਰਤ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਏll
It clearly means that it is not in your control to find a true guru (ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ)but if its in your fate then u’ll come across the true guru and then what will happen???
llਸੇਵਾ ਸੁਰਤ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਏll
He’ll tell u to serve the almighty , how?? By merging your surt(soul) in the naam or shabd .
Naam or shabd is no where else but in your body , within yourself. Now anyone can object me here and say, what am I talking??? Am I out of my mind?? But I’m not sayin this . Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says this

GURU NANAK SAYS IN Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on pg 1026

ਦੇਹੀ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਵਾਸੀll ਆਪੇ ਕਰਤਾ ਹੈ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ll

Can naam be easily obtained???
NO says guru sahib. Guru ramdaas ji says on pg 1242
ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਅਲਖੁ ਹੈ ਕਿਉ ਲਖਿਆ ਜਾਈll
But in the same shabad he says
ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਦੇਈ ਦਿਖਾਈ ll
This clearly means theat when u get the true guru or poora guru, he’ll show it to you within yourself.

 
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The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the MIRROR of Human LIFE.....a Time Line...we BEGIN LIFE...in the WOMB...then grow.....and then we get OLD..and time to say Good BYE !! The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is arranged that way....read carefully......
MOOL MANTAR..is the SEED in the WOMB..and the Nauvaan Mehalla da sloks at end of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is TIME TO SAY...GOOD BYE !! In between the 1429 pages of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a mirror of OUR LIFE..as we proceed along the highway....of Life..
The SEASONS...months years..Gharrees Day and NIGHT are mentioned so many times in GURBANI..ALL these REFER METAPHORICALLY to OUR LIFE !! Din gavaiah khayeh ke and raat gavee soi keh..is NOT the 24 hours..its a reference to our ENTIRE LIFE TIME...we eat and we sleep daily....and then its time to GO..and we cry.."give me a few seconds more..I wnat to Naam Japp ???but the Time for that is long gone..Bhagat Kabir ji describes the Trembling feet, shaking head, watery eyes, loud of hearing ears...slurry tongue...that is OUR LIFE STORY..the TIME LINE !! See what Guru Teg bahadur Ji says at the END of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..feet trembling..nain jyot te heen eys almost blind....and what is now left to do..JUST REGRET. Pichhal RAAT is this TIME...and IF we can wake up even then..it will be some saving grace.....We all get ashot at the TOOL BOX...soem of us never open it and the tools rust away unused..others use them so well they shine form USE...yet others dont even realsie they have a tool box...

@findingmyway
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i give the page number so that the reader can also do some work from his part. They can refer to the shabad anytime. even if i quote the whole shabad it will make the post so bulky and as the reader reads it might happen that they lose interest.

its not only that meaning of whole shabad matters to me, each sentence Of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has a meaning and for me , even if i get the meaning of that sentence, i'd think i'm successful.

@ gyani jarnail singh ji
I'd agree with you somewhat. But i'd like you to throw some light on what should be done so that we do not regret at the end???

Gurfateh Nirmaljot ji,
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Nirmaljot ji

Aman Singh ji has given you very kind advice regarding the rules of the forum. The forum rule is to post an entire shabad - or in the case of Japji Sahib the entire pauree. There is no way around this.

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Nirmaljot ji,

Guru fateh.

You write:

As mentioned by the wonderful leaders of this forum, please post the whole Shabad with your own understanding along with the literal translation if you like, so we can learn from each other. Having said that you have forgotten to explain the meaning of the above in this post.

I am sorry to disappoint you but this approach of yours will not work in this forum. This forum is meant to exchange Gurmat ideas, thoughts and our understanding of Gurbani, which may create healthy debates at times and that is OK but unfortunately your approach to my queries is to be argumentative, which again does not serve any purpose here.When you post something here, then it is your duty to respond to the queries regarding your post. Once you have done that, then you have every right to ask the questioner to share his/ her point of view regarding the same subject.


My query:

“Do you mean our Gurus, starting with Guru Nanak worked against the nature and did not care about our body clock with whose help our bodies work?
Do you think they would advice us to discard nature in this manner?
What would be the reason behind it if your contention is correct? Can you please shed some light on it.”

Your response:

Pardon my ignorance, but once again you are connecting Amrit vela to early in the morning. You are contradicting yourself from your post which made me ask you questions. Please read your own post first and no one is talking about that it is harmful to get up in the morning. That is totally a different topic. The only question is what is Amrit Vela?

Please follow the forum rules as mentioned by the leaders. You may start a different thread with the explanation of each Shabad in your own words to express your viewpoint if you like and then we can discuss each Shabad and its message.

Once again you are confused and contradicting yourself from your original in which you explained what is not Amrit Vela. No one is against getting up in the morning as mentioned before but that is not the point of my queries to you. Please read it again to clarify in your mind what I have specifically asked you.

Having said that your above example is very archaic and bigoted. First and foremost, Sikhi rejects any caste system. I thought you knew that. Secondly, there are many non-jatt Sikhs who are also farmers. Lastly things do not work like that on the farms anymore. Farms have equipments and the farmers do not have to get up very early any more, not even dairy farmers because the machines attached to the udders have the timers.

But, that is not the point. People around the world work graveyard shifts, night shifts and at different hours, even in India due to IT. So your contention above is irrelevant and makes no sense.

I have no idea what you mean by the above. I would like you to elaborate it.

My query:
“Aren't thinking of the family and business even in the Gurdwara which may help us give new ideas to make our family and business better parts of Miri-Piri concept of Sikhi way of life?”

Once again you are mixing apples with oranges. Guru Sahib taught us through Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru how to become good citizens of the society we live in and for us to attain that goal they created the unique concept of Miri-Piri for us to follow. Please read about Miri-Piri concept started by Guru Nanak and named as such by our 6th Guru. If you have already studied the concept, then please share it with us.

Here you again assuming things about others. You have assumed that I have not read Gurbani. Where is the benefit of the doubt according to Gurmat values? It seems to me that it is you who has failed to grasp the meaning of what is written in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru. Once you explain the concept of Miri- Piri, I am sure you will change your mind and understand the true meaning of what our Gurus' message is.


Please follow the forum guidelines as explained by the leaders and then we can discuss each Shabad in details if you wish to.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

NIRMALJOT BAIDWAN Ji,,
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You seem to have good understanding of Gurbaani words but I still find that your meanings do not match the grammer of the words.Probably you are not familiar with grammer of the gurbaani words.
You will appreciate the fact that there is definitely some important grammer in Gurbaani words.So pl apply the correct grammer and get the correct meaning of the words.
This I am relating to the interpretation of AMRITWELAA .It has different references in different contexts.If you refer NAAO PARBHATE as equal to AMRITWELA then your time of AMRITWELA as 2 a.m is not valid.Because the period of PRABHAT is considered that during which NIGHT is just going and DAY is just coming.

I am not criticising your views .I just want to convey that if you give a little bit consideration to grammer of the words your interpretation would be more sharpand more closer to the true meaning s of the Gurbaani message.
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It isonly a suggestion rest is up to you only.

With best wishes

Prakash.s.Bagga