Jap Ji Sahib Paudi-1

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wahe guru ji ki fates
sir, your reference to the link has just confirmed my query
jitender
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wahe guru ji ka khalsa
wahe guru ji ki fateh
my query is that aad sach is the beginning of shlok and 1st pauri starts with soche soch. at sikh philosophy .net 1st pauri has been started with aad sach
jitender

Respected Jitender ji,
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It is not at SPN that Jap ji Paudi shall begin with some other 'tuk'. If it was a mistake of judgment , i am responsible for this mistake.

I need not give justification . However, since sloka was not to be discussed separately it was prefixed to the Paudi-1. It was for this reason that i took up the sloka and the paudi together. inconvenience caused, if any, is regretted.
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Thx. for pointing it out.

regards

Essence Of Paudi-1

When one proceeds further it is realized that one can assign many meanings.I was earlier stuck up with as to the exact meaning that could be assigned to the following two lines of the Paudi-1.On re-reading it I find that these lines contain the essence of the Paudi-1

kv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)
So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]1] (1-7, jpu, mÚ 1)
O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1|


How should we become 'Sachiara' is the basic question posed by Guru Sahibs and the answer is contained in the very next line.It is self explanatory and it was not so when I had taken up this. I am sharing as to how should we be truthful and lead the life as is ordained by Guru sahibs.

We should lead the life as per HIS hukum or will. What is the will of the Lord is not known to us , the mortals, who are engrossed in Maya and the illusion of the same. Bani do state that we are all poor creatures and are engaged in the activity as per That Divine will. The position of creature has been explained by the helplessness of the creature as he is not in a position to anything without His grace.

ikAw hm jIA jMq bycwry brin n swkh eyk romweI ] (822-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
What am I? Just a poor living being. I cannot even describe one of Your hairs, O Lord.

Total submission is also expected of a seeker:

mY nwhI pRB sBu ikCu qyrw ] (827-16, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
I am nothing, God; everything is Yours.

One finds many expressions of this nature where it has been stated that the mortals are poor creatures engaged in whatever is deemed best by the Almighty. We do not have any power to do anything of our own.The destiny governs our actions and we gather the Karmas that are to be repaid or settled in the lives to come till we are able to break this cycle of rebirths.

Expressing the above Guru sahibs have stated the following:

nwnk jo iqsu BwvY so QIAY ienw jMqw vis ikCu nwih ]8]4] (55-18, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
O Nanak, whatever pleases His Will comes to pass. Nothing is in the hands of these beings. ||8||4||


nwnk jMq vjwey vwjih ijqu BwvY iqqu rwih cleIAw ]8]2]5] (834-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 4)
O Nanak, we are the instruments upon which He plays; as He wills, so is the path we take. ||8||2||5||

ikAw vycwrw jMqu jw Awip BulwieAw ]8] (707-16, jYqsrI, mÚ 5)
What can the poor helpless creature do? The Lord Himself has deluded him. ||8||


In the wider context, how should we find out as to what is HIS will according to which we have to work and lead this life, the answer lies in some other lines of bani as well. The above line is reflective of the power of Almighty and the helplessness of the creatures, the mortals.

What is HIS will and Hukum? This is still illusory. One can become sachiara by accepting HIs will.
One has following line to ponder upon:


khY nwnku Awip krqw Awpy hukmu buJwey ]26] (920-14, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
Says Nanak, He Himself is the Creator; He Himself reveals the Hukam of His Command. ||26||


Till we are not able to understand the Will , we shall all be miserable:

jb lgu hukmu n bUJqw qb hI lau duKIAw ] (400-16, Awsw, mÚ 5)
As long as he does not understand the Command of God's Will, he remains miserable.


It is through Guru that we come to understand HIS will.


swcy gur qy hukmu pCwnu ]2] (414-8, Awsw, mÚ 1)
Through the True Guru, the Command of the Lord's Will is realized. ||2||

We all are blessed to have Guru Granth sahib ji to provide us with the understanding and guidance. I have summed up HIS will as per my understanding as follows.

suK duK sm kir nwmu n Cofau Awpy bKis imlwvxhwrw ]1] rhwau ] (416-3, Awsw, mÚ 1)
I look upon pleasure and pain alike; I shall not forsake the Naam, the Name of the Lord. The Lord Himself forgives me, and blends me with Himself. ||1||Pause||

And

burw Blw jy sm kir jwxY ien ibiD swihbu rmqu rhY ]8] (432-18, Awsw, mÚ 1)
One who recognizes bad and good as one and the same - in this way he is absorbed into the Lord and Master. ||8||

And

hrK sog duhu mwih inrwlw krxYhwru pCwqw ]2] (498-1, gUjrI, mÚ 5)
He remains unaffected by both fortune and misfortune, and he recognizes the Creator Lord. ||2||

There is clear cut meaning that one can assign to these lines. If one is not disturbed by the pain and is not overwhelmed by the pleasure one should have to be in the state where it can be said that one has been able to understand HIS will. It is one of the important qualifications for attaining the state of Equipoise. It is in this state that one reaches 'sahaj' as well. It is in this state that everything appears to be the desire and wish of the creator and everything seems to happen naturally. The divine will finds its meaning when we are able to appreciate that whatever is happening is as per His orders and we do not then have any anguish or pain or anxiety that are stated to be the part of lower consciousness.

I shall finish this by the following beautiful shabad.


soriT mhlw 9 ] (633-15)
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Sorat'h, Ninth Mehl:
jo nru duK mY duKu nhI mwnY ] (633-15, soriT, mÚ 9)
That man, who in the midst of pain, does not feel pain,
suK snyhu Aru BY nhI jw kY kMcn mwtI mwnY ]1] rhwau ] (633-16, soriT, mÚ 9)
who is not affected by pleasure, affection or fear, and who looks alike upon gold and dust;||1||Pause||
nh inMidAw nh ausqiq jw kY loBu mohu AiBmwnw ] (633-16, soriT, mÚ 9)
Who is not swayed by either slander or praise, nor affected by greed, attachment or pride;
hrK sog qy rhY inAwrau nwih mwn Apmwnw ]1] (633-17, soriT, mÚ 9)
who remains unaffected by joy and sorrow, honor and dishonor;||1||
Awsw mnsw sgl iqAwgY jg qy rhY inrwsw ] (633-17, soriT, mÚ 9)
who renounces all hopes and desires and remains desireless in the world;
kwmu k®oDu ijh prsY nwhin iqh Git bRhmu invwsw ]2] (633-18, soriT, mÚ 9)
who is not touched by sexual desire or anger - within his heart, God dwells.
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As a concluding Line:


jo qum@ krhu soeI Blw min lyqw mukqw ] (809-10, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
One who accepts whatever You do as good - that mind is liberated.


Wjkk Wjkf

WAHE GURU JI KA KHALSA WAHE GURU JI KI FATEH
the last 2 lines of 1st pauri of japji sahib summarise the teachings of guru nanak. from the 1st line guru nanak tells themethods people adopt to become enlightened--sachiara. to nanak there is only one way to get enlightenment and to dismantle the veil of falsehood. and that is submission to the divine order. it is just like a son obeying his father. the obedience should be without questioning. right. next, we should be happy in the divine order.isnt it a tall order for we mortals. who ever is born is encircled with maya--may be less may be more.hence sorrows and happinesses. we are just worms and cannot be so great as to feel that we enjoy our losses.. great saints,peers and even gurus had been having their share of-sorrows and hence depressions at certain moments. if i hvnt any misconception,Guru Gobind Singh Ji was also depressed when 40 muktas laid down their lives and when he lost his sons
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submissuion to the divine order brings enlightenment. if we read the biographies of enlightened persons,we find that they were enlightened only when they left every conscious effort. .enlightenment is not a result of conscious efforts, it is a reward to the submission to the divine order
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jitender kaur

Divine works in different ways. How can worms know how saints. peers and Gurus felt. This is your mis-conception. What you see is Devine Leela. It is not easily understood.

Yes this is your second mis-conception. All that you see and hear is not necessarily the truth. Guru Gobind Singh and Depression! NO NO NO. You do not understand spirituality yet Jatinder Kaur ji. Guru ji say "Main hun param purakh ko dassa, dekhan ayo JAGAT TAMASHA. How can you say he was depressed. Totally disagree with you.


Firstly, did the enlightened people write these biographies personally. How can a third party write the going ons in the spiritual world. Even our Gurus who had the divine authority did only write from their perspective. Are you not contradicting yourself in you statements.

The term Viraag is being misunderstood as depression. Please do not just make judgements when confusion still harbours in ones mind.

Respected Sister,

With due respect to the observations of Ek Musafir ji , I agree with you that it is a tall order to be 'Sachiara'. Frankly speaking, I even do one understand as what this Maya is all about. I also do not know as to what are the 'Tri badh' that are to be overcome and what is the method of overcoming the Tri-gunas.

For sikhs Simran is recommended. It is sikhism all about. It is the essence i.e to keep your mind engaged in HIS memory and love if we can develop.

We may be worms or like because we do not understand as to what is spiritual wisdom. All one can do is to practice truthfulness i.e be honest, forgiving, have compassion, love for others practice contentment and develop all similar saintly qualities needed for such kind of living. I think it is all about self-development that may lead to self realization. God is all but HIS creation. He is not an individual. Realisation is all but knowing that we all have a common spirit and we should help one another. God shall not be seen by us as He cannot be seen as per Gurbani.

Bani also recommends that we should be equipoise and maintain equilibrium of mind.

Gurbani places lot of importance on pre-ordained destiny.
But I do not know what were my past karmas that I should improve upon.

It is all that I understand from bani. Practice Simran but that also is stated to come to us when we are blessed by HIM.

It is all that we learn from bani.

1. Lead a truthful life and be in the state of Equipoise.
2. Do naam simran.[Guru mantar] or do Nitnem.
3. We shall get that HE gives and that is all we should expect and nothing more.

This is bani all about or may be that is all I understand from bani. This is the sum total Of bani for me.

My other friends shall also share their view points.

WJkk WjkF

Regards. to all.

Let us have look at Today's hukumnama

English Translation :
The Jewel of the Lords Name abides within my heart; the Guru has placed His hand on my forehead. The sins and pains of countless incarnations have been cast out. The Guru has blessed me with the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and my debt has been paid off. || 1 || O my mind, vibrate the Lords Name, and all your affairs shall be resolved. The Perfect Guru has implanted the Lords Name within me; without the Name, life is useless. || Pause || Without the Guru, the self-willed manmukhs are foolish and ignorant; they are forever entangled in emotional attachment to Maya. They never serve the feet of the Holy; their lives are totally useless. || 2 || Those who serve at the feet of the Holy, the feet of the Holy, their lives are made fruitful, and they belong to the Lord. Make me the slave of the slave of the slaves of the Lord; bless me with Your Mercy, O Lord of the Universe. || 3 || I am blind, ignorant and totally without wisdom; how can I walk on the Path? I am blind O Guru, please let me grasp the hem of Your robe, so that servant Nanak may walk in harmony with You. || 4 || 1 ||

Thrusday, 19th Assaar (Samvat 540 Nanakshahi) (Page: 696)

(quote jatinder Kaur ji)isnt it a tall order for we mortals. who ever is born is encircled with maya--may be less may be more.hence sorrows and happinesses.

Why we feel it is a tall Order? isn't it a questioning of our enslaved minds? Problem is lack of faith in Guru and as well as in ourselves due to duality. Boat is doomed at the start. Result of it, we judge Guru ji in the same way as we feel. Forgive me please, I must call it a suicidal approach of ignorant. So goal is achieved only if path leading to it is walked on. Who tries, practices too.

ref--why we feel a tall order?--ajnabi ji
why we feel a tall order? why not?do not think of one in millions. my view point is keeping in mind the majority.how many---how many can walk on the path -- sukh dukh dono sam kar jano?as long as you have green pastures, every philosophy is practical
ref-- isnt it a question of enslaved minds?
no doubt it is .the day mind is not enslaved, it will be enlightenedit will be out of the circle of maya
ref duality--
duality is there in most of the people.it is duality when we say we are happy as per divine order only as long as our pastures are green.i pray god saves us from his tests
ref we judge guruji---
who are we to judge guruji? guru is our teacher, our guideand an example before us.way to getting enlightenment , no doubt, is submission to the divine order. but i still say that path is not easy to tread. i am enslaved,--i am not an evolved soul, i am not enlightened but still i say i try not to live in duality. if my boat is doomed at the start, it is also his hukam.