Mool Mantar

Huck_Finn · #19 (**permalink**) 18-Dec-2006, 14:07 PM

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prakash.s.bagga · #20 (**permalink**) 17-Mar-2011, 01:24 AM

We should try to understand exactly what is the significance of the numerical number ONE in the SYMBOL.
We all agree that the SYMBOL has three parts and is actually so it is correct.The three parts are stated as
1.........Numerical number ONE
2........Word ONg or OM
3.......A line KAAR

We consider numerical number ONE separate as Ik or EK and

Word Ong or OM is combined with KAAR as OngKaar or OMKAAR

then we pronounce as IK OR EK -ONGKAAR or OANKAAR and give the meaning accordingl

We have never given a thought that there ca be a second way of presenting the SYMBOL too.Can we consider that

Numerical Number ONE with word Ongor OM as EKONG orOM and KAAR as separate then we get the pronunciation as EKONg or EKOM-KAAR and now the meaning would also be different.

Thus it would be important to understand whether numerical number ONE is separate or connected with the word ONgor OMas EKONg or EKOM

We will find that we come across a word EKANKAAR in Gurbaani quite frequently.Let us analyse this word and see that on disection of EKANKAAR we get as EKOM-KAAR.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1612
So Guraani it becomes clear that the pronunciation of the SYMBOL should be EKANKAAR
Moreover we do not have any pronunciation as IKor EK ONgkaar or IK or EK-Onkaar in Gurbaani.
Prof SAHib Singh Ji also makes clear at the start of his Tikka that :EKANKAAR" is a pronunciation for this SYMBOL which is there in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .So why dont we consider EKANKAAR as the only pronunciation for the SYMBOL as Given in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

This is a point for consideration as this is very important to know the correct pronunciation because the whole understanding of Gurbaani is based on the correct pronunciation and meaning of this SYMBOL.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Ambarsaria · #21 (**permalink**) 17-Mar-2011, 02:48 AM

Prakash S. Bagga ji sorry to say that you are wrong in the following,

Quote:

Prof SAHib Singh Ji also makes clear at the start of his Tikka that :EKANKAAR" is a pronunciation for this SYMBOL which is there in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .So why dont we consider EKANKAAR as the only pronunciation for the SYMBOL as Given in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Professor Sahib Singh ji's Darpan is in Punjabi. Two issues surface as below based on your post,

Background: "EKANKAAR" is your linguistic/phonetic translation of his work".

Specifically adding "N" the way you have done it
The use of "EK" is also wrong versus "IK".

There are perhaps better phonetics expert at SPN but the way I see it the following is more in line with Professor Sahib Singh ji's Darpan (Treatise) ,

"IK-AOEN-KAAR"

The following from Professor Sahi Singh ji on the whole subject. I don't understand what your doubt is and why the doubt is being created through this post. Do you believe in the following work of Professor Sahib Singh ji and if so which part you need us to help you with or discuss?

Quote:

eykMkwru-eyk EAMkwr, auh iek EAM jo iek-rs hY, jo hr QW ivAwpk hY[
so, "<>" dw au~cwrn hY " iek (eyk) EAMkwr" Aqy iesdw ArQ hY "iek Akwl purK, jo iek-rs ivAwpk hY"[

pdArQ:-
<> au~cwrn vyly ies dy iqMn ih`sy kIqy jWdy hn-1, E Aqy > ; ies dw pwT hY ‘iek EAMkwr’[ iqMn ih`sy v`Ko v`Kry au~cwirAW ieauN bxdy hn:-
1-ie`k[ E-EAM[ > -kwr[
‘E’ sMsik®q dw Sbd hY[ Amr koS Anuswr ies dy iqMn ArQ hn:-
(1) vyd Awid Drm-pusqkW dy ArMB Aqy A^Ir ivc, Ardws jW iksy piv~qr Drm-kwrj dy ArMB ivc A`Kr 'EN' piv~qr A`Kr jwx ky vriqAw jWdw hY[
(2) iksy hukm jW pRSn Awidk dy au~qr ivc Awdr Aqy siqkwr nwl ‘jI hW’ AwKxw[ so, ‘EN’ dw ArQ hY 'jI hW'[
(3) EN-bRhm[

iehnW ivcoN ikhVw ArQ ies Sbd dw ie`Qy ilAw jwxw hY-ies ƒ idRVH krn leI Sbd 'EN' dy pihlW '1' ilK id`qw hY[ ies dw Bwv ieh hY ik ie`Qy 'EN' dw ArQ hY 'auh hsqI jo iek hY, ijs vrgw hor koeI nhIN hY Aqy ijs ivc ieh swrw jgq smw jWdw hY['
qIjw ih`sw > hY, ijs dw au~cwrn hY 'kwr'[ 'kwr' sMsik®q dw iek ipCyqr hY[ Awm qOr qy ieh ipCyqr 'nWv' dy A^Ir ivc vriqAw jWdw hY[ ies dw ArQ hY 'iek-rs, ijs ivc qbdIlI nw Awvy['

Regards.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: Sorry spnadmin/Aman Singh ji I only posted Punjabi excerpt. I can translate it if needed.

prakash.s.bagga · #22 (**permalink**) 17-Mar-2011, 04:07 AM

AMBARSARIA JI,

I would request you to go thru page no 46 of tikka by Prof Sahib Singh Ji {Gurmukhi Tikka}
At the top you get what I have written.
Pl also refer Tikka ASa Dee VAAR by Prof Sahib Singh Ji.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1612

It hould not matter whether we write in Gurmukhi or English the form of the word should be same.

For any further clarification I am prepared to offer if required.

PS:There is no such pronunciation as IK OanKAR in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/We do come across like IKu EKANKAAR in Sukhmani Sahib. What is this IKu EKANKAAR should be given a due consideration.
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Prakash.S.Bagga

Ambarsaria · #23 (**permalink**) 17-Mar-2011, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

AMBARSARIA JI,

I would request you to go thru page no 46 of tikka by Prof Sahib Singh Ji {Gurmukhi Tikka}
At the top you get what I have written.
Pl also refer Tikka ASa Dee VAAR by Prof Sahib Singh Ji.

It hould not matter whether we write in Gurmukhi or English the form of the word should be same.

For any further clarification I am prepared to offer if required.

PS:There is no such pronunciation as IK OanKAR in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/We do come across like IKu EKANKAAR in Sukhmani Sahib. What is this IKu EKANKAAR should be given a due consideration.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash S. Bagga ji I am clear based on Professor Sahib Singh ji's (what I quoted was straight from Professor Shaib Singh ji's Darpan PDF file) description, I don't understand what your points are? To me looking from outside in it is just doubt creation without answers? Please explain the subtleties as I am surely lost from your posts on this.

Sorry about that.

Regards.

Sat Sri Akal.

prakash.s.bagga · #24 (**permalink**) 17-Mar-2011, 12:49 PM

AMBARSARIA Ji,

I was also lost first time having known about the possible correct pronunciation of the SYMBOL from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as EKANKAAR.
Gradually I carefully studied the whole of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for this word EKANKAAR only and all my confusion was over.
So you can also verify from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji how important is the word EKANKAAR.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1612
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1612
This all depends up to you to get to know.
Whatever I have presented the views are from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji only.

With best wishes

Prakash.S.Bagga

Ambarsaria · #25 (**permalink**) 17-Mar-2011, 23:25 PM

Prakash S. Bagga ji you may hold great wisdom We are all learners her and I request that you share.

Please if possible focus on the following two items that may help many but for sure me,

I was also lost first time having known about the possible correct pronunciation of the SYMBOL from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as EKANKAAR.
- How were you lost?
- What was your wrong understanding at the beginning?

Gradually I carefully studied the whole of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for this word EKANKAAR only and all my confusion was over.
- Please if possible what was your confusion?
- Please describe the meaning of "EKANKAAR"?
  - With much less knowledge compared to you, I translate "EKANKAAR" to mean the following,
    - EKANKAAR -----> One who does everything!
    - This will be different from what Professor Sahib Singh ji's explanation.
      Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1612
      Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1612

I thank you in advance.

Sat Sri Akal.

prakash.s.bagga · #26 (**permalink**) 18-Mar-2011, 12:06 PM

AMBARSARIA Ji,
I thank you for your positive response to my post.
What you are asking me is related to my personal perception of GurBaani understanding in different times of my life.
As I belong to a normal Sikh Family and my initial understanding was definitely what I listened at Home or in Gurdwaras.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1612
It was only when I studied the basic grammer in detail and on applying the same without being prejudied ,resulted in different understanding which is quite different from normal understanding.But grammatical meanings give more clear message of gurbaani that is for sure.

As far as meaning of the word EKANKAAR is concerned I feel it referesto GURU JOTi"More speciic SABADuGURU JOTi" Here the word JOTi is for the WAVE or Vibrations
EKANKAAR is Plural and its Singular is EKANKAARu.
EKANKAARu is OMNIPRESENT,OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT so this way your meaning
as DOER OF ALL is correct.

AMBARSARIA Ji,if you carefully go thru Gurbaani you will find that the according to Gurbaani the CREATOR is EKANKAARu/EKANKAAR not ONKAARu/ONKAAR as we think.
Once this is understood the meaning of the words GUR PRASADi will also become clear.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1612
We should always look for every answer from within Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji this is what I can say.

With best wishes

Prakash.S.Bagga