Was Guru Nanak a Muslim?

Neutral Singh · #1 (**permalink**) 22-Jun-2004, 17:53 PM

Somebody asked...

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Sikhism perfectly straddles the line between Hinduism and Islam since the baptism of Nanak was by Kabir, the illiterate weaver saint who defied religious categorization (other than as a monist) all his life and even in his death.

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Neutral Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 22-Jun-2004, 17:54 PM

I would like to quote from another forum... a reply by a learned member...

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These arguments presenting Guru Nanak as a Muslim have been used by a sect of Muslims called the Ahmedis ( or Qadianis ) since the 1890's. The Ahmedis though they profess to not believe in violent Jihad believe in using falsehood to convert people to their religion. In Pakistan they have been declared non-Muslims and they are actively persecuted by both the govt and the Muslims of Pakistan. It is human to feel some sympathy for them as many have been killed or jailed for their belief that the final prophet was not mohammed but Mirza Ghulam Ahmed who founded their sect in the 1890's. But when you see and read all the blatant falsehood they write about Guru Nanak then we should have no sympathy with them for the persecution they face in Pakistan.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed wrote a few books in which he claimed to be Christ, Mahdi, Messiah and Krishna in order to win as many people as possible to his sect. He also wrote a few books where he claimed that Guru Nanak was a Muslim. He claimed 20 years of 'research' of Gurbani but he makes the elementary mistake of attributing a verse of Kabirji to Guru Nanak. He also makes a great deal of the Chola of Guru Nanak at Dera Baba Nanak. Ahmedis have no qualms about lying in order to secure a conversion to their faith, but this is also a Muslim trait as evidenced by the writings they are bringing to show that the Koran contained the scientific facts of today over 1400 years ago.

The Ahmedi tactic on the internet is to approach people by hiding behind a facade of 'wanting to learn more about the persons faith', they will liberally use term such as ' I am interested/want to learn more..' etc. This is not their intention, they want to see how much a Sikh knows about his faith and decide whether it is possible to lure him/her into theirs. If the Sikh knows his religion well and is able to respond to their subtle attempts of downgrade Sikhism and talk up their faith then they will leave him alone. At the end of the day, they measure their success by conversions and not by how interesting the discussion was.

If the Sikh is not firm or knowledgable in his faith they then plant the seeds of doubt. Terms such as ' I have heard that Guru Nanak was a Muslim' or ' Guru Nanak believed in Islam' are introduced. A few years I had occasion to reply to a request for a Sikh who had been similarly approached. After he passed on my article to the Ahmedi, she soon disappeared.

From my discussions with the Ahmedis they appear very ignorant of the Guru Granth Sahib and confuse deliberately it with the Janamsakhis. In the Janamsakhis , Guru Nanak meets many Muslim holy men where they approach him by putting forward their view that Allah, Islam and Mohammed are the only ones worthy of following. Guru Nanak always gives them his answer which counters the Muslim holy men's view. The Ahmedis select the Muslim holy men's quotes at those of Guru Nanak. This is why you will get quotes from the Janamsakhis with page numbers which the Ahmedis list as proof of Guru Nanak being a Muslim.

Verma1 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-Oct-2011, 09:08 AM

Sasriakal,

I would just like to say please could you send this message out to all the Sikhs. It is so important to educate everyone that the clkaims these muslims make that Guru Nanak Ji was ase claims a to be abolished. They are false claims and like you said are used to try and convert people and also create rifts between Hindus and Sikhs. These are muslims who are trouble makers and stirrers, 2 faced and make completely FALSE and mindless claims based on teachings that WERE NOT Guru Nanak Dev Ji's.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/islam/99-was-guru-nanak-a-muslim.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=99

I have had so many muslims trying to manipulate me and saying Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a muslim and because I am knowledgable in myReligion, I always tell them this is not true and never will be.

I urge you to spread this message and educate Sikhs about the tuth and Real Teachings by Guru Nanak Dev Ji. They were born into a Hindu Khatri family, Chant Ram in the Granth in Teachings actually really by Guru Nanak Himself, his mother and father have Hindu names, he marries a Hindu lady and his children were Hindu. And he never changed his name, one of the basic muslim requirements, so he was no way a muslim. These manipulative muslims have no knowledge about the Hindu and Sikh religion and need to be put straight.

Please put Guru Nnak's Teachings on here that show he was and never would be a muslim.

Thanks

Ambarsaria · #4 (**permalink**) 10-Oct-2011, 10:44 AM

True source of pride for Sikhs to see Hindus and Muslims wanting to call Sikh Guru Nanak as their own. Guru Nanak ji loved all and conveyed his teachings without regard. The famous Bala and Mardana (Hindu and Muslim) duo who accompanied him are a testament to that.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=99

Sat Sri Akal.

Seeker9 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-Oct-2011, 18:19 PM

In terms of the answer to the question in the thread title, I must confess I am not sure why it is relevant and how it changes the Scriptures....

Having declared there is no Hindu or Muslim, why would anyone think he was Muslim?

Perhaps I have missed something obvious and relevant......

hashir166 · #6 (**permalink**) 11-Jan-2012, 04:48 AM

Assalam-o-alaikum/Sat Sri Akal/Namaste/Hello

First of all I am an Ahmadi, Muslim. And would like it if at least the community of Sikh do not call us Qadianis as I am not from Qadian, we do not call Sikhs Rāi Bhōi dī Talwandī's or Nanakanas. And secondly we believe there's one God, but we believe as did every single man who brought there teachings, there have been changes in the teaching of Sikhism, as did of the Christians, as did of the Muslims, but Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed revived them. Also we believe Baba Nanak Ji was a wise and justified man, but he went to Mecca. IT IS A LIE, to say that no Non-Muslim can enter Mecca. Hadhrat Mohammad said that we should all be kind and loving to our neighbour and as all of you must of known but Baba Nanak said so too.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=99
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=99

Please try to keep your offense to minimum.

Shukria/Jazakallah/Dahnyivad

Wassalam

Ambarsaria · #7 (**permalink**) 11-Jan-2012, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hashir166

IT IS A LIE, to say that no Non-Muslim can enter Mecca. Hadhrat Mohammad said that we should all be kind and loving to our neighbour and as all of you must of known but Baba Guru Nanak said so too.

hashir166 thanks for your post.

Can you please clarify the following,

Some one on the Internet paraphrased it as follows,

" .... although the state of Saudi has opted for the opinion that disallows all non muslims" , kind of supporting what you say that Islam does not but Saudis have. So for all intents and purposes your statement has no practical significance as Saudi manage Mecca.

I wish all religious places were open to all with some respectful and basic rules of operation.

Thanks.

hashir166 · #8 (**permalink**) 12-Jan-2012, 05:12 AM

I clarify it upon the terms that in the 1500s also I believe and lots of Muslims believe that everyone should be allowed in Makkah!

This then supports our argument that Baba Nanak Ji was a Muslim. And Ek Onhar came from our belief of One God.

Searching · #9 (**permalink**) 12-Jan-2012, 18:02 PM

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This then supports our argument that Baba Nanak Ji was a Muslim. And Ek Onhar came from our belief of One God.

hashir166 ji
The concept of one God was not first given by Islam. Many religions like Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism and even Sanatan dharma of Hinduism gave this concept much before Islam.

In fact going by your logic Mirza Ghulam was a Hindu as your concept of la ilaha il alla came from sanatan dharma.