Is Halal Meat Scientifically Proven Right?

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Hi there SikhEngineer, welcome to the discussion.

Once again I am not very knowledgeable on all things Islam or in fact in any religion, but I am interested in learning about different belief systems. When I see something that is incorrect according to my understanding about any religion then I make a point to step in and set things straight in a polite manner.

As far as I am aware the Islamic slaughter involves the detachment of the windpipe (trachea), gullet (esophagus), and the two jugular veins without cutting the spinal cord. This causes the blood to gush quickly out of the animal's body. The swift cutting (which is very important to minimise pain and suffering to the animal) of the vessels of the neck serves to stop the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain that are responsible for the sensation of pain. In this way the animal feels no pain. The jerking and convulscing of the animal's body after the cut is made are not because of pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood. The blood must be completely drained from the body before the head is removed. The reason why blood is left to drain from the body is because blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most (notice I said most and not all!) of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.

As I mentioned in a post earlier, there was an experiment conducted by a German Professor Scientist Wilhelm Schulze and his colleague Dr. Hazim at the School of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover University in Germany. The study entitled: 'Attempts to Objectify Pain and Consciousness in Conventional (captive bolt pistol stunning) and Muslim Ritual (halal, knife killing) Methods of Slaughtering Sheep and Calves' showed that the Halaal method of slaughter was more humane and gave less pain to the animals. You can read my earlier post for more information on this.

There was also a report in the Guardian about the inhumane method of stun bolting and you can read it here:
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In the Hindu method of slaughter known as "Jhatka", the spinal cord is cut, and as a result the nerve fibers to the heart might be damaged leading to cardiac arrest which results in stagnation of blood in the blood vessels. Furthermore if the head is removed before the blood is drained then this can cause the body to get paralysed and the meat to become stiff. Blood also coagulates in capillaries which do not purify the meat as blood acts as a medium for microorganisms germs, bacteria, toxins and other waste products to proliferate.

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Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write:
These are just opinions based on speculations. No one knows about what is less painful in the animals. If this speculation held any validity to it then the world would not be slaughtering millions of animals with the stun method as is the practice. So, these comments do not hold any water in front of the daily practice all around the world.

Secondly, it is common in many cultures to drink the blood of freshly killed animal, so there is nothing wrong with blood being present in the slaughtered animal and the false claim that all the blood is drained from the animal via halal or kosher is impossible anyway. Any clots if at all they remain are melted when the meat is cooked.

Lastly, Halal and Kosher are both considered religious sacrifices of the animals. Both Mulsims and Jews who are cousins, recite some verses from their respective scriptures during their sacrificial rituals.

They also have the same sacrificial ritual of circumcision as a covenant to their respective gods. In many Muslim countries they also cut the clitoris of a little girls which is a shame and total cruelty.

Muslims and Jews have a tribal mentality in the case of eating pork which is forbidden in both religions because they claim pig is dirty which makes no sense at all.

Hindus also slaughtered animals in the Mandirs as a religious sacrifice.

Sikhi does not believe in none of that. Period.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

Oh dear what a mess! Where to start to clean up your many misunderstandings?

How about with your dismissal of a SCIENTIFIC experiment that was held by a professor and doctor who proved with science not "speculations" & "opinions" that the stun bolt method caused more pain to the animal and produced unhygienic meat when compared to the halal method.

You also said that "If this speculation held any validity to it then the world would not be slaughtering millions of animals with the stun method as is the practice". Unfortunately just because it is practised around the world doesn't make it right. If you read that article (link in previous post above) by Jonathan Safran Foer he makes it clear that the stun bolt method is used because it is convenient when killing thousands of animals per day in slaughter houses, but doesn't mean that it is humane, and in many cases the animals suffer tremendously. There is also a good book called the "Fast Food Nation" by Eric Schlosser who also takes a closer look at the horrors of the stun bolt method.

I am not concerned about whether it is impossible to drain all of the blood from the animal's body, but about draining the maximum amount which the halal method achieves.

Halal slaughter is not a religious sacrifice but a method to slaughter an animal. Muslims do not recite any verses from the Quran whilst slaughtering but begin my saying "In the name of God" (I don't know if the Jews recite from their scriptures).

I am not sure what circumcision has to do with the topic at hand.

Can you please explain what you mean by "Muslims and Jews have a tribal mentality in the case of eating pork", as I honestly cannot fathom what it is you are trying to say. Also pork is forbidden to Christians in the New Testament. "Of their flesh [Pork] shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you." [Leviticus 11:7-8]

Here are some things to consider regarding Pork and will illustrate some of the reasons why pork is forbidden in Judaism, Christianity & Islam, but which the Sikhs "does not believe in none of that. Period.":

*Pork must be cooked twice as long as any other meat, because there is always a fear of food poisoning from pork.

*Pigs do not have functional sweat glands. Sweating eliminates toxins, so if it doesn't sweat, it is not eliminating any toxins from it's body which is stored in its body and which is then consumed by the person eating it.

*Pigs will scavenge and have been known to eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, tree bark, rotting carcasses, garbage, and even other pigs. In the wild, they are foraging animals, primarily eating leaves, grasses, roots, fruits and flowers. Occasionally while in captivity, pigs may eat their own young if they become severely stressed.

*You can always do an experiment, and put a porkchop and a piece of chicken in a cupboard for a week. After a week, see which one is more rotten. I guarantee you it will be the porkchop.

Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

Your posts show that your counter arguments are becoming more and more hollow and full of holes.

You write:

Let's define science first so you can have a better idea about your own argument.

sci·ence (sns) KEY

NOUN:

1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

science - Dictionary definition and pronunciation - Yahoo! Education

Science is nothing but an observational tool which is experimental. So this thing about pain in animals by which method is based on observation not on any facts.

Again, more holes in your counter argument. Why would the world do something wrong because the Muslims think it is the wrong way? It makes no sense once again.


This is a subjective conclusion once again based on speculations. There is nothing objective about it. I have no idea if you know the difference between the two.

Yes, you are concerned, otherwise it is irrelevant whether the blood is drained or not. If it did not matter then, you would not be promoting Halal so feverishly but any kind of slaughter would be okay for you. You see the holes in your own argument?

Are you a Muslim to confirm that? Muslims do read what is called Kalmas while slaughtering animals. You should learn more about Islam if you do not know.

It is one more inhumane thing done by the Muslims to the innocent young girls and boys in the name of Allah which is a shame.

Btw, are you circumcised? Do not lie in the name of Allah and tell the truth.

Now you have not only shown your ignorance but have flaunted it with great pride. Your falsehood is quite apparent.FYI Leviticus is from the Old Testament, hence meant for the Jews only, not for the Christians. You are making things up now. Christians are not forbidden to eat pork.

As, I said before and will repeat here again, make knowledge your best friend but your posts show that you have made it your worst enemy for the reasons only known to you.

So what if it needs twice the time to cook? What difference does it make? The record shows that more beef is recalled than any other meat. You should learn the facts.

So what?

The fact of the matter is that many people died from the Mad cow disease. There is no such thing as Mad Pig disease. So, it shows that you have a tribal mindset like the Muslims do and lack knowledge of the facts which makes you make things up.

I had no idea you ate raw chicken and pork, and did not refrigerate the meat you eat.Thanks for sharing.

Any kind of meat starts rotting in a few minutes when left unrefrigerated. Just search the internet for the facts. You will learn a lot.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

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