Is halal meat scientifically proven right?

I agree with Narayanjot ji.

Engineer Ji, we should be more respectful when talking to our Muslim brothers and Sisters.
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Randip Singh

Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.
They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.
Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Page 1289
Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh

look dear oracle

you didn't got my point at all. Its was not for you it was for those who dont respect others why it pinched you ?????

If i am not wrong it was you who made comment to tejwant that 12 o clock about sikh's remmeber. now if i quoted muslim you started crying
so its is clear who is hypocrite

its greatfulness of sikhs that we respect and love all other religion that is why you r openely discussing on this sikh forumand
we have guts to discuss openly about our religion .

randip ji

kindly tell me wat wrong i said?/ it was general discussion but did you read what orcale have written about sikh's (12 o clock ) to tejwant. infact respect is earned, if he dont know how to give respect to other how come he expect respect from others being sikh i respect all human beings as it is creation of almighty waheguru

I guess you and other will read my thread and then decide if i have done anything worng??/

Hi Engineer ji,

If he makes derogatory remarks like that again then use the report buttons to report him and we will deal with it.

We should as Sikhs never resort to that level.

Thanks

I am not an expert on Islam but from what I have read the Muslims pronounce the name of God or say "In the name of Allah" before slaughtering because they believe in Allah, and start any action in His name. This serves to get them in a state of remembrance of God, before slaughtering one of His creation.

There was a study done by Prof. Shultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, comparing the stun bolt method and the Halaal method of slaughter.

When the animal is killed in the Halaal method, a swift incision is made in the throat with a sharp blade and the animal immediately goes into deep sleep conciousness and feels no pain. The heart is still beating and the body convulses vigorously which serves to drive out the maximum amount of blood from the body (not necessarily all of the blood but the maximum amount), this in turn is more hygienic for the consumer.

Compare this with the stun bolt method used in the West, which actually causes the heart of the animal to stop beating and so restricts blood flow from the body resulting in less hygienic meat for the consumer. The animal was also found to be in severe pain immediately after the bolting.

Gurufateh everyone I am back.............

Dear Curious.

To start with I must say this, why you and my other muslim brothers think that meat is good/ huygienic for eating if blood is removed???? I can say this is false propaganda. why you need to remove bl0od wat for ???? when we all know that it cannot be removed completely from body what ever procedure you may adopt for slaughtering.

secondly now most of the muslims brothers say that blood is infected that why it should be completely drained off ??? its common sense brother if there is infection in blood, then we can get infected even if we take single drop of that infected blood hope that is the answer of your question as you yourself said that blood cannot be completely dranined off even if you do halal and that is truth you can't //////. One more thing i wanted to clear that if there is infected blood then also there are very less chance that you can get infection you knw why??? bcoz you dont eat uncooked meat always you cook meat before eating which remove all the infection during cooking at high tempeture


you have written
I am not an expert on Islam but from what I have read the Muslims pronounce the name of God or say "In the name of Allah" before slaughtering because they believe in Allah, and start any action in His name. This serves to get them in a state of remembrance of God, before slaughtering one of His creation.

listen when yuo think that you take his name bcoz you r slaughtering one of his creation that shows somewhere in your heart you feel that u r not doing right by killing one of his creation and thus to make God happy you take his name when u kill brother you r doing business with God. which we are not suppose to do that. ok tell me if you doing anything and you know that is wrong then before dooing that wrong thing if you take God name is it right???/

sometimes i feel pity bcoz what logic's you people give to support your answer see what you have written below
Compare this with the stun bolt method used in the West, which actually causes the heart of the animal to stop beating and so restricts blood flow from the body resulting in less hygienic meat for the consumer. The animal was also found to be in severe pain immediately after the bolting.[/

now tell me its obivious that when you kill any one by any method its painful why you r worried about the pain of animal?? if so then simply dont eat meat ????/.

moreover when you to go war or declare war then many innocent people are killed then wat you can do ??


lastly i can say dont think that wat ever is written in Koran is correct just think for the logic and practical utility of it and then conclude ok hope you dont mind

dear

I agree with you

Hi there SikhEngineer, welcome to the discussion.

Once again I am not very knowledgeable on all things Islam or in fact in any religion, but I am interested in learning about different belief systems. When I see something that is incorrect according to my understanding about any religion then I make a point to step in and set things straight in a polite manner.

As far as I am aware the Islamic slaughter involves the detachment of the windpipe (trachea), gullet (esophagus), and the two jugular veins without cutting the spinal cord. This causes the blood to gush quickly out of the animal's body. The swift cutting (which is very important to minimise pain and suffering to the animal) of the vessels of the neck serves to stop the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain that are responsible for the sensation of pain. In this way the animal feels no pain. The jerking and convulscing of the animal's body after the cut is made are not because of pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood. The blood must be completely drained from the body before the head is removed. The reason why blood is left to drain from the body is because blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most (notice I said most and not all!) of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.

As I mentioned in a post earlier, there was an experiment conducted by a German Professor Scientist Wilhelm Schulze and his colleague Dr. Hazim at the School of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover University in Germany. The study entitled: 'Attempts to Objectify Pain and Consciousness in Conventional (captive bolt pistol stunning) and Muslim Ritual (halal, knife killing) Methods of Slaughtering Sheep and Calves' showed that the Halaal method of slaughter was more humane and gave less pain to the animals. You can read my earlier post for more information on this.

There was also a report in the Guardian about the inhumane method of stun bolting and you can read it here:
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In the Hindu method of slaughter known as "Jhatka", the spinal cord is cut, and as a result the nerve fibers to the heart might be damaged leading to cardiac arrest which results in stagnation of blood in the blood vessels. Furthermore if the head is removed before the blood is drained then this can cause the body to get paralysed and the meat to become stiff. Blood also coagulates in capillaries which do not purify the meat as blood acts as a medium for microorganisms germs, bacteria, toxins and other waste products to proliferate.

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Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write:
These are just opinions based on speculations. No one knows about what is less painful in the animals. If this speculation held any validity to it then the world would not be slaughtering millions of animals with the stun method as is the practice. So, these comments do not hold any water in front of the daily practice all around the world.

Secondly, it is common in many cultures to drink the blood of freshly killed animal, so there is nothing wrong with blood being present in the slaughtered animal and the false claim that all the blood is drained from the animal via halal or kosher is impossible anyway. Any clots if at all they remain are melted when the meat is cooked.

Lastly, Halal and Kosher are both considered religious sacrifices of the animals. Both Mulsims and Jews who are cousins, recite some verses from their respective scriptures during their sacrificial rituals.

They also have the same sacrificial ritual of circumcision as a covenant to their respective gods. In many Muslim countries they also cut the clitoris of a little girls which is a shame and total cruelty.

Muslims and Jews have a tribal mentality in the case of eating pork which is forbidden in both religions because they claim pig is dirty which makes no sense at all.

Hindus also slaughtered animals in the Mandirs as a religious sacrifice.

Sikhi does not believe in none of that. Period.

Regards

Tejwant Singh