Is Halal Meat Scientifically Proven Right?

Probably it also implies that no Qafirs were used in the production, processing or delivery of the stuff. A closed shop to allow the Muslims to serve Muslims while shutting others out. Not bad if you want your own merchants, shopkeepers and producers to be stronger versus the competition. For me at the end of the day it is little hocus-pocus.

Let me cite an example,

EXAMPLE: During my student years I worked weekends at a grocery store in London owned by a Sikh. Lot of the clientele was West Indian origin. Such loved pig-tails as a delicacy. The pig-tails used to come in large containers of brine (heavily salted water) mixed with the pig tails. One day while moving the drum of pig-tails there was an accident and pinkish brine water spilled over Rice Jute bags. We had to think if to throw the rice so damaged out to garbage.

We talked to the owner. He said no way he wanted to throw the rice out.

Guess what it was turned into,

Quote:

SPECIAL: Pig-tail flavored rice. All was quickly grabbed by the shoppers.

One reason I will never be able to run a grocery store.

So may be a lot of clever marketing and some how a claim of purity and uniqueness gets embedded in Halal propaganda too.

Regards.

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I know what you mean about the meat being chewy or not.
I think we don't experience this to a large degree as mass production of both meats is not far off, in the sense that most animals are raised with non genuine diets (protein pumpers,supplements) and in a non genuine environment. Also, stunning beforehand is commonly used in both cases,I believe.
Therefore the two genuine extremes of both meats are not readily available.

Good point about the jhatka being less painful. I have agreed that in the past, and still do based on actions of neurons,ganglia and post-synaptic activity.
However, we have to remember that to quantify or measure pain is very difficult.
One persons scale is not the other persons.
Even for the manufacturing of analgesics, it's actually the tolerance to pain that is commonly used in trials to measure the drug's effect.
With jhatka, the chances of the pathways being blocked, hence numbness and anaesthesia effect are much higher. Therfore the chances of the animal experiencing numbness is higher. This again, cannot be definite for all animals as different pathways can come into action to relay the responses to the brain.
But in general, we could definitely say that with jhatka the animal is more likely to experience numbness and therefore less pain.

Here, we are talking about the instant of being killed, the first few moments before death. There has been mention that draining interupts the transmission of signals across pathways. Now, this can infact happen, as the conduction of impulses and signals across neuron synapses requires nutrients that are readily available from blood.But the actual drainage would have to be done for some time before there is enough depletion of most common Na, K, Ca,- the animal would most likely have been dead before this could take affect. So, the immediate drainage would not directly affect nerve transmission as such - the pain pathways would still be very much active.

I didn't mention this earlier, as in all honesty I didn't find it appropriate to try and justify jhatka over halal.
It is the misconceptions about halal that I wanted to scientifically clarify.

At the end of the day, both are acts of killing for consumption.
The animal doesn't have a choice and even if it did, what favour would we really be doing ??
Plenty of halal consumers actually believe that they have done the animal a favour,- this is a wrong, inhumane belief.

Sat sri akaal
Lucky Singh

That is a good point and as Sikhs we are not restricted to only eat jhatka.
We must realise that jhatka is not a prescribes method of killing an animal in Sikhism. Its only that we must avoid halal.
If a stunned animal is slaughtered like it is in halal I have no problem in having it as long as religious prayers are not said over its bleeding body.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/conte...1/s3228880.htm

what is the link to the report mentioned at the beginning ?

http://youtu.be/h_bZzxep87c

Didnt feel a thing?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/islam/1717-is-halal-meat-scientifically-proven-right.html

Kutthaa was used as a tax forcefully upon the people during the mogul empire.

It is still used as a subtle weapon of suppression by Muslims.....in Mughal times it was ILLEGAL for a Non-Mulsim to even keep a Sharp KNIFE...thats one of the reasons for the weird looking crescent shaped instruments used to cut (cheeer) saag etc in Indian kitchens...to get meat you had to get to a muslim butcher/kazi..

about the eeg experiment,well gentle man pain is a reflex at spinal level.higher centre summation generates emotion associated with pain.so you cant say by anybodies experiment that halal meat comes without pain!second most important point is halal is a ritual!when your spiritual path is a hostage of ritual it can never be absolutely right!because your brain still has questions that you need to take the support of an external act to fix your belief on god,you need more than gods name to progress,that means a lot of your spiritual effort is going waste!

Halal is a purification ritual. A Sikh would ask, how can you purify that which is created by Onkaar?

I have seen Vietnamese also slaughter animals same way. I dont think they have any religious injuction for it. Just to remove blood which can carry disease.