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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam Man’s life cycle is a reflection of the universal cycle of life. The truth is in evidence about us, but mankind has not eyes to see. The truth is within and without and is rare found until ones level; of intellectual and emotional maturity is sufficiently arisen to the required dimension of God consciousness and perspective. The Quran and The Gita both contain all scientific data man requires to find his way back to his origin. Communication format and variances in language deter some, the religious, whether Hindu, Islamic, Christian or Sikh fail or cannot fathom the great and profound truths contained within their daily recitation of the ancient mantra’s Scientifically a question arises. By this understanding ‘What is Truth’. Definitives vary within the confines of a particular discussion or mindset. What does man seeks to gain, acquire, accomplish in his lifetime, what do leaders seek for their nations. The best productive and most organised and efficient nations are Islamic excepting Sweden. All have a strong moral foundation upon which is built a cohesive society, one in mind, heart and spirit. Rich in spirituality and economically these nations decry and oppose in their management all that is elevated and publicised in the equally affluent but socially diverse west. We learn by this observance that a society essentially is required to be on one purpose and moral goal. Diversity for the sake of individuality and free will creates mayhem and chaos, conflict and misery. This unbalanced society renowned to be wealthy and free, is upon closer examination in greater distress and want, in deeper confusion and neglect spiritually, economically and of faith that h poorest nations. It seems to benefit the corrupt and immoral powers at large to perpetuate the profitable cycle of supply and demand to oppress their civilians in chaos, confusion and disease of only to maintain employment in sectors catering for the generated want and desires of demand. It is undeniably evil.
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15-Feb-2009, 04:14 AM
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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam I believe that sects of Christianity that are scientifically tuned to current understandings, such as Hugh Ross, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California; ( Reasons To Believe: Hugh Ross, Fazale Rana, Kenneth Samples, David Rogstad, Jeff Zweerink )cite a beginning approximately 13 billion years ago when a particle of infinite mass and about the size of a proton, suddenly burst forth into a universe of infinite measure in all directions. Christians would refer to this as an ex nihilo event where something is created from nothing. In time the gases from that initial explosion condensed into planets, stars and a multitude of things which cannot be counted and 4.5 billion years ago, the earth was formed. Echos of the "Big Bang" are seen in the universe today in what is known as the red shift. In any case, the earth's age determined by radiometric analysis is about 4.5 billion years old based on analysis of the oldest rocks found on earth. Those who believe in evolution credit stromatalites with the first living creatues of plant matter that built up a sizeable amount of oxygen which was used by bacteria to evolve into other species and ultimately to man himself. Christians believe that God created man as recorded in Genesis, each animal after its own kind. Some Christians are litteral enough to believe that man is not older than about 6000 years on the earth. This is based on a biblical chronology developed by a Catholic Bishop by the name of Usher. Others believe that man's tenure on earth existed in perhaps a hundred thousand years, more or less. In any case, our examination of the verity of things is built on what has come to be known among Christians as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. It bases truth on four things: reason, experience, tradition, and Holy Scriptures. Anything which does not square with all four cannot be trusted as truth. For Christians, the Bible trumps the other three. | 
15-Feb-2009, 04:53 AM
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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam Shearwater ji
Which Christians? | 
15-Feb-2009, 06:53 AM
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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam aad002 -
We have to distinguish between those who self identify as Christians and those who self-identify but also have the behaviors and discipleship to Jesus Christ, which is a requisite to being a "true disciple or Christian." Jesus said that those who were followers of him would purify themselves even as he is pure. So we have a person who is an apprentice, following Jesus very carefully and exhibiting the Christian fruits of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, endurance, brotherly kindness, and selfless love. Here we believe is the true believer and the one who is also a Christian indeed. Jesus said, "If you continue in my words, then are you my disciples indeed." Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/islam/16532-creation-in-islam.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16532
One thing I have noticed about sikhs is their love to help and lift the poor. That is a behavior that is not distinctively Christian per se. And to that person who has such care for his brother or sister, I say, "God bless you in the warmest loving way possible." | 
15-Feb-2009, 08:23 AM
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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam shearwater ji
What would you say if you heard of a Christian religion where the theory of evolution was the official doctrine? | 
15-Feb-2009, 09:30 AM
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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam Namaste:
I am not a Christian but my family is and have much experience with them. I think I would question any religion who had science as one of its pillars.
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16-Feb-2009, 01:48 AM
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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam Christians believe that God works through our minds rationally and well as through our hearts emotions. As one scripture teaches, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." The two must converge in order to be valid. God is totally transcendent but, according to the Bible, when Jesus died on the cross, he broke the wall of separation between us and God and we are now able to approach him through the righteousness and holiness of Jesus Christ. Those who do not believe that Jesus was God in the flesh, cannot say that. Since I am a scientist, I believe in the scientific method to a degree. But often God works outside science to perform his works. Those instances could be called miracles because they transcend human reason and are not subject to the scientific method. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16532Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16532
I believe that Muslims believe that it is blasphemy to say that we can have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. | 
16-Feb-2009, 01:52 AM
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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam Quote:
Originally Posted by Satyaban Namaste:
I am not a Christian but my family is and have much experience with them. I think I would question any religion who had science as one of its pillars.
Satyaban | The theory of evolution is the officially sanctioned doctrine of evolution of the Roman Catholic Church. Not a pillar of the religion but the understanding of that religion. | 
16-Feb-2009, 02:40 AM
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| | | | | Re: Creation in Islam I am sure you are right but they have room for literalists as well as opposed to some protestant churches who preach only creationism or the Bible literally. I offer the Southern Baptist as an example. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16532
Peace
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