Creation in Islam

Astroboy · #19 (**permalink**) 03-Aug-2007, 21:25 PM

I am happy to an extent that Islamic women have started to learn how to speak up and fight for their rights without causing any bloodshed. This is a milestone in Islam.
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azizrasul · #20 (**permalink**) 03-Aug-2007, 21:35 PM

Any thoughts on the Qur'anic verse dealing with the creation of the universe in the opening post?

Sworn_Avenger · #21 (**permalink**) 03-Aug-2007, 22:09 PM

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How did I do that?

By coming down with your views and objection too any other religion but your own hardly

Not a valid question. TRUE scripture comes from God not people. It was God who wrote the first scripture believed to be given to Ibrahim (peace be upon him). In case you don’t know, Ibrahim (peace be upon him) is a direct ancestor of Muhammad (peace be upon him) from the male line.

And what proof of that is there. please explain your sources. and im damn sure abraham had 12 sons, which means theres propable a lot of people in the direct line.

False. The Qur’an was revealed about 1400 years ago.

1400 years ago that would make it around the time of 600 AD. or do you not know what AD means? so True, please research your facts

Islam began at the time of Adam (peace be upon him). He was the first Muslim and the first Prophet and the first homosapien man. Huwwa (or Eve as you called her) was the first Muslim homosapien woman. Hence you would expect Jews\Christians to believe in Adam & Huwwa as the prophets Moses\Jesus (peace be upon them) were the Muslim prophets at there times. So there is no contradictions as you seem to be seeing them.

LOL so did adam and eve know they were muslim? or is this something you are assuming, like i said was he circumsized, did they pray 5 times a day? What proof to you have to say these were muslims, you are forgettin islam is a religion of faith, you are not automatically muslim, therefore did adam and eve have to choose to be a religion which at that point did not exist and that time Qu'ran was nowhere to be seen, they were not the first muslims, they were the first human beings, at this time before adam disobeyed the lord, there was just divine paradise, no religion there was no comprimise to their faith.

Who’s being disrespectful now? You seem to object to non Sikhs entering this forum! If the forum moderators don’t want me to participate, I’m happy to leave.

then please leave.

The order in which the Muslim prophets came and received scripture from God is as follows: -

Prophets of Allah, as Mentioned in the Qur’an

Adam (first prophet of Islam)

Idris (Enoch)

Nuh (Noah)

Hud (Heber - great great grandson of Nuh)

Salih (Shelah)

Ibrahim (Abraham)

[Received the Souhouf (the Scrolls) in Hebrew]

Isma’il (Ishmael – eldest son of Ibrahim)

Is’haq (Isaac – youngest son of Ibrahim)

Lut (Lot – nephew of Ibrahim)

Ya’qub (Jacob – son of Is’haq)

Yusuf (Joseph – second youngest son of Ya’qub)

Shu’aib (Jethro)

Ayub (Job)

Musa (Moses)

[Received the Taurat (the Torah or the Law) & the Ten Commandments both in Hebrew]

Harun (Aaron – elder brother of Musa)

Dhu’l-kifl (Ezekiel)

Dawud (David)

[Received the Zaboor (the Psalms) in Hebrew]

Suliman (Solomon – son of Dawud)

Ilias (Elias)

Al-Yasa (Elisha)

Yunus (Jonah)

Zakariyah (Zechariah)

Yahya (John – son of Zakariyah)

Isa (Jesus – son of Mary)

[Received the Injil, in Aramaic]

Muhammad (the Seal of the Prophets)

[Received the Qur’an, in Arabic]

(Peace and Allah’s blessings be upon them all)

Never heard that before. What evidence do you have for that?

Vijaydeep Singh where does this come from. Is this from the Sikh scriptures? If so, can you give me a reference or a web page giving only the English version? Thanks.

so please read above and the facts

azizrasul · #22 (**permalink**) 03-Aug-2007, 23:01 PM

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By coming down with your views and objection too any other religion but your own hardly

I have views as a Muslim just as you have your views on your beliefs. This doesn’t imply any disrespect. After all this is a discussion forum, which implies a difference of opinion. Do you accept Islam? If you don’t, then you are objecting to my beliefs. I don’t feel offended by that. I don’t feel offended by my work colleagues who have a different or no faith. You don’t seem to be a person who tolerates a difference of opinion.

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And what proof of that is there.

The Qur’an.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) came from the first born of Ibrahim (peace be upon him) i.e. Ismail (peace be upon him).

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1400 years ago that would make it around the time of 600 AD. or do you not know what AD means? so True, please research your facts

610 C.E. We don’t use AD anymore. Keep up with the rest of the world.

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What proof to you have to say these were muslims,

The Qur’an. They worshipped and obeyed Allah, hence they were Muslims.

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you are forgettin islam is a religion of faith, you are not automatically muslim

According to Islam, everyone is born as a Muslim, even you. Will explain in next post if u r interested.

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then please leave.

The real u comes out in each post. I said I would leave if the moderators asked me to not by your command. U don’t have to participate in my thread.

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so please read above and the facts

U don’t strike me as someone who knows the facts, seems a bit strange u should be asking me to do so. From the contributions u have made so far, your ignorance in Islam is pretty astounding yet u insist in participating in my thread.

Astroboy · #23 (**permalink**) 03-Aug-2007, 23:04 PM

Dear Azizrasul,
On matters of creation,

The Surah takes its name from the very first verse Wan shaqq al-Qamar, thereby implying that it is a Surah in which the word al-Qamar has occurred.
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Period of Revelation

The incident of the shaqq-al-Qamar (splitting of the moon) that has been mentioned in it, determines its period of revelation precisely. The traditionists and commentators are agreed that this incident took place at Mina in Makkah about five years before the Holy Prophet's hijrah to Madinah.

In this Surah the disbelievers of Makkah have been warned for their stubbornness which they had adopted against the invitation of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The amazing and wonderful phenomenon of the splitting of the Moon was a manifest sign of the truth that the Resurrection, of which the Holy Prophet was giving them the news, could take place and that it had approached near at hand. The great sphere of the Moon had split into two distinct parts in front of their very eyes. The two parts had separated and receded so much apart from each other that to the on-lookers one part had appeared on one side of the mountain and the other on the other side of it. Then, in an instant the two had rejoined. This was a manifest proof of the truth that the system of the Universe was neither eternal nor immortal, it could be disrupted. Huge stars and Planets could split asunder, disintegrate, collide with each other, and everything that had been depicted in the Quran In connection with the description of the details of Resurrection, could happen. Not only this : it was also a portent that the disintegration of the system of the Universe had begun and the time was near when Resurrection would take place. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) invited the people's attention to this event only with this object in view and asked them to mark it and be a witness to it. But the disbelievers described it as a magical illusion add persisted in their denial. For this stubbornness they have been reproached in this Surah.
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What is your view on this extract from Al-Qamar (Muslim Text)

azizrasul · #24 (**permalink**) 04-Aug-2007, 06:15 AM

Good post Begum. I have heard that there was a person in India at the time who recorded seeing the moon split. Don't have any details. If anyone has, would be good to know.
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The verse I quoted was from sura 21 which is called The Prophets. The sura u r referring to is number 54.

The word assunder referred to in 21:30 is in reference to a particle comprising of the [raw] ingredients of the heavens and the earth which is split assunder. Compare Big Bang theory.
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There is no equivalent verse in the corrupted present day Taurat.

Narayanjot Kaur · #25 (**permalink**) 04-Aug-2007, 07:17 AM

Sworn Avenger ji
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Once I was told by a muslim that the Greek philosopher Aristotle borrowed many of his ideas from the prophet Mohammed. This in spite of the fact that Aristotle lived BCE and Mohammed in CE, and nearly a millennium apart.
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People who know history will immediately grasp that most of what has been reported here is factually incorrect. Those who refuse to believe they are reading nonsense will not be convinced. No logic, evidence, or persuasion will change them. Do not allow yourself to become overly vexed by this thread. Think instead of your inner need for peace. Still we appreciate your efforts.

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azizrasul · #26 (**permalink**) 04-Aug-2007, 15:56 PM

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Once I was told by a muslim that the Greek philosopher Aristotle borrowed many of his ideas from the prophet Mohammed. This in spite of the fact that Aristotle lived BCE and Mohammed in CE, and nearly a millennium apart.

Strange comment to make. Just because a Muslim said the above does not mean that if another Muslim says something then they are wrong just because he was wrong. This in itself lacks any senses or logic.

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People who know history will immediately grasp that most of what has been reported here is factually incorrect.

Exactly what are you referring to? Please be a bit more precise. Winning arguments on vague comments does not make any contribution.

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No logic, evidence, or persuasion will change them.

That's what u say. Doesn't make it a fact, particularly as you have offerred nothing to support your argument except your opening statement. What if I said that I heard a Sikh and Hindu who told me that the Sun comes out from the North every Tuesday. Does this mean that I don't ever listen to any Sikhs\Hindus? Of course not, this illogical. You listen and establish by arguments what is right and what is wrong. What I have said, I can prove, but you have not asked for it. Hence your contribution, if I may say so, is pretty weak on the basis u have not made any arguments one way or another.

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Do not allow yourself to become overly vexed by this thread.

Yes he does come across like that doesn't he\she.

Parma · #27 (**permalink**) 04-Aug-2007, 21:48 PM

Fine we now know what islam is about. Sikh philosophy forum. I want to learn about sikhism not islam. Not disrespecting the faith but if I wanted to learn about islam i would have joined an forum