Creation in Islam

Vikram singh · #**253** (**permalink**) 05-Sep-2007, 14:17 PM

Qur’an is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, no chronology or chapters, Grammatical errors etc. One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in Quran and above mentioned Ayats are just selected samples from the Quran. But still it is a miracle to those who are blind-folded bigot.
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Vikram singh · #**254** (**permalink**) 05-Sep-2007, 14:24 PM

waiting for Aziz Rasul,to comment, my next post will be taken from Koran to prove that quran is full of inaccuracies,contradiction,inconsistencies

Vikram singh · #**255** (**permalink**) 05-Sep-2007, 23:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ProjectNaad

Aziz Rasul,

There is NO science in the Quaran.. Please read the latter chapters of the following document to see how these claims of science have been smashed into the ground together with highlighting the not-so-moral teachings of the Quaran and mathematical errors

http://www.projectnaad.com/wp-conten...m_rebuttal.pdf

Projectnaad ji it is very informative site,i read all the information,very Good indeed, Keep up good job

Vikram Singh

Astroboy · #**256** (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2007, 00:19 AM

Quantum Physics and Story of the Universe in Sikhism.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/islam/16532-creation-in-islam.html
http://www.sikhs.wellington.net.nz/Sikh_Religion.pdf

azizrasul · #**257** (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2007, 00:29 AM

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I am using the same logic you are using to prove that Quran is work of God.

No ur not. No 1 has claimed that ur book on algebra is from God. It’s u who is not focusing on the point but playing silly games. If no 1 had said that the Qur’an was the word of Allah, we would not be having this discussion. The Qur’an gives us guidance how to conduct our lives, ur book doesn’t. Not exactly the same thing.

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"my little book of laws of algebra has no scientific mistakes...is it a work of God? "

Just more silly games. U obviously show immaturity and unable to conduct a proper discussion.

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i firmly believe that Quran is work of a man.

Who?

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i can assume that either your maths is weak

I can add up to 3. Don’t need ur book to work that 1 out. LOL.

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each one independently is having faster growth rate than islam

We were talking about the fastest conversions not birth rates. Ur going at a tangent.

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and coming to the point of TRUTH being spoken by politicians and ABC news....

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do you really believe what they say?????

The west is extremely unlikely to say anything good about Islam, hence on this occasion I do. The fact u go on about this subject perhaps shows how insecure u must feel. If u r firm in ur faith, why should u care. Huh?

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azizrasul i have already shown all the researches but still you are asking same question.Islam is growing no doubt BUT THE MAIN REASON IS BIRTH RATE NOT CONVERSIONS.Already many european countries are facing problem of low birth rate which is not sufficent enough to survive.On the other hand birth rate is decling all over the world.But birth rate of islamic countries is much higher than non muslim countries I don't understand why this simple thing is so difficuilt to you for understand.

Maybe, just maybe the misunderstanding is wholly on ur side. U think? The link I showed u gives the evidence. The vast majority of the conversions r taking place in the educated west.

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There is NO science in the Quaran..

Many have claimed that on this thread and gave what turned out to be empty points. The link u gave has over 180 pages. Sorry I don’t have time to read it. If there is a particular page u want 2 mention, then I can have a look.

Those who reject our signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.
Qur’an - Surah al-An`aam (The Cattle) 6:39

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Quantum Physics and Story of the Universe in Sikhism.

I have been continually told that Sikhism and science don’t mix and here we r! Any particular page u want 2 highlight?

Vikram singh · #**258** (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2007, 00:54 AM

To the uneducated, an A is just three sticks.

Astroboy · #**259** (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2007, 00:56 AM

It's all there, and btw I was giving that link to everyone. Of course, every individual has their own queries. Most of us are Sikhs, that's why I posted it here. It could help some to focus on their own religion than delve in an insane debate of another's religion.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16532

YouTube - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Aawal Allah Noor Ao Paya 1 of 3
YouTube - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Aawal Allah Noor Ao Paya 2 of 3
YouTube - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Aawal Allah Noor Ao Paya 3 of 3
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16532

Translation of Kabir's Bani:
aval alah noor upaa-i-aa kudrat kay sabh banday

Note: 3 of 3 also has some other additions but in the end it comes back to the shabad.

Peace to All.

Vikram singh · #**260** (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2007, 01:35 AM

Some Facts About Islam and Prophet Mohammad

One Point at a time,so you can read and understand and do Analysis.

1. Koran which most Moslems call it Prophet Mohammed's only miracle was written by Ottoman, the third Khalif some twenty-five to sixty years following the death of the Prophet. Therefore, the Holly book of Koran is nothing but a collection of "I heard him say".

2.Mohammad, who was illiterate, went to a mountain and when he came out he had written Koran. Researching this incredible miracle I realized that it was the biggest lie ever told.

This is the BEST ONE

3.The Prophet, as Muslims call him the protector of women and the human rights advocate, at age Twenty-five (25) married his boss, a forty (40) year old rich woman named Khadijeh, after she proposed to him. They had four daughters together but we know a lot about one daughter named Fatemeh. When Khadijeh died Mohammad at age fifty-six asked to marry Ayesha, daughter of his friend and first follower AboBakr. She was six years old. According to Saheeh al-Bukhari, the Prophet had three dreems where god gave him a bundle rapped in silk and told him this is your wife and when he opend the bundle there was this six year old child named Ayesha.
AboBakr requested from the Prophet to wait till she reached the age nine before consummating their marriage. So at age fifty-Eight the great Prophet, the defender of women's rights raped a nine year old child. This is wrong today and it was wrong then.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16532
That is the reason for marriage age for girls is set at age nine in lunar years (and sometimes younger in Islam).
Then Prophet Mohammad married anywhere between 29 to 45 more women. According to Ebn Abbas, "The highest member of Moslems who is the Prophet Mohammed has also the highest appetite for women."
In another place God told Mohammad that "we have made such women available to you without any payment to them, these are all your cousins, slave women and any Moslem woman who would like to give you herself, or any women whom you desire free of charge." So slavery at least for women was quite common. See Koran 33-50.
Prophet Mohammad even asked his own adopted son, Zaid Ebn Hares, to divorce his wife, Zeinab, so that he could marry her. When the members of tribe protested this marriage, because the daughter-in-law was considered like one's daughter. Mohammed answered that he received a revelation from God, that "A Moslem man cannot adopt another man's child." Hence Hares was not his real son, therefore he could marry his adopted son's wife.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16532
When Mohammad and his wife Khadijeh adopted Zaid they were not Moslem. Prophet must obey God's word and therefore, Zaid is not his son and Zeinab is not his daughter-in-law (according to Mohammad). That is why adoption is prohibited in Islam.
According to Koran, a collection of "I heard him say": "Your wives are your tillage, go in unto your tillage in what manner so ever you will."
And in another place it says "Good women are obedient, as for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them." Koran 4-34
Many Muslim apologists argue that the word "scourge" is only one translation for the word, dharaba (beat), used in Koran, which "could" also mean "strike with feather," or strike with a stick not thicker than the thumb. These are preposterous assertions.
Does it make any sense that if a woman disobeys her husband, she first gets a warning and if the rebellion continues she is kicked out of her bedroom, and then right at the end the husband comes and starts beating his wife with feather?
Wasn't there a more caressing word in Arabic than the word which could be translated as "scourge".

waiting for you comments ? Anxiously

Vikram singh · #**261** (**permalink**) 06-Sep-2007, 01:46 AM

Don't go by what one side says, some time it is good idea to
hear from the other side also, and then decide ?