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| | | | | What Does Sikhism Say About Adam and Eve? Does Sikhism believe in Adam and Eve story? If not then are Islam and Christianity baseless? *
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Originally Posted by BoleSoNihaalSSA Do Sikhism believe in Adam and Eve story? If not then whole are Islam and Christianity are baseless? | Go to any good natural history museum and see dinosaur skeletons bigger than double decker buses and have a think about the Adam and Eve story. I think Adam is briefy mentioned as Baba Adam in one bani but in the same way Indra, Vishnu etc. etc. are. | 
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| | | | | re: What Does Sikhism Say About Adam and Eve? I am writing as an Sikh philosopher having been brought up in a Sikh enviornment at home . Wether this is enough to label it as a Sikh philosophy point of view I am not sure of it.
As a Sikh philosphers I feel that this is an interesting hypotheses but needs to be still backed up by our todays line of thinking the so called scientific evidence.
There is a possibility that this is a corollary of our sensory perception where all living systems and any things associated with
classically divided into three cycles :-
birth
growth
death
May be it has some thing to do with these words.
I feel that the word Timelessness describes life the best " It was always there , it is there , and it shall always be there "Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/8934-what-does-sikhism-say-about-adam.html
ie summed up as equating GOD and its creations with timelessness the so called " akhalpurkh "
So live life to its fullest form you shall never die in a certian sense.
An interesting link is http://www.icreatereality.com
love to all and every living species and the still to be born in future .
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| | | | re: What Does Sikhism Say About Adam and Eve? All Sikhism has to say is what the Scientist's have to say today......
There was no Adam and eve and no apple that made them fall to earth. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8934
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| | | | | re: What Does Sikhism Say About Adam and Eve? Gurfateh
In one verse term Father Adem or Baba Adam does emrges.
Ang(page/Part) 1161 Guru Granth Sahib Ji. ਸਤਰਿ ਸੈਇ ਸਲਾਰ ਹੈ ਜਾ ਕੇ ॥ सतरि सैइ सलार है जा के ॥ satar sai-ay salaar hai jaa kay. He has 7,000 commanders, ਸਵਾ ਲਾਖੁ ਪੈਕਾਬਰ ਤਾ ਕੇ ॥ सवा लाखु पैकाबर ता के ॥ savaa laakh paikaabar taa kay. and hundreds of thousands of prophets; ਸੇਖ ਜੁ ਕਹੀਅਹਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਅਠਾਸੀ ॥ सेख जु कहीअहि कोटि अठासी ॥ saykh jo kahee-ahi kot athaasee. He is said to have 88,000,000 shaykhs, ਛਪਨ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਖੇਲ ਖਾਸੀ ॥੧॥ छपन कोटि जा के खेल खासी ॥१॥ chhapan kot jaa kay khayl khaasee. ||1|| and 56,000,000 attendants. ||1|| ਮੋ ਗਰੀਬ ਕੀ ਕੋ ਗੁਜਰਾਵੈ ॥ मो गरीब की को गुजरावै ॥ mo gareeb kee ko gujraavai. I am meek and poor - what chance do I have of being heard there? ਮਜਲਸਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਮਹਲੁ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ मजलसि दूरि महलु को पावै ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ majlas door mahal ko paavai. ||1|| rahaa-o. His Court is so far away; only a rare few attain the Mansion of His Presence. ||1||Pause|| ਤੇਤੀਸ ਕਰੋੜੀ ਹੈ ਖੇਲ ਖਾਨਾ ॥ तेतीस करोड़ी है खेल खाना ॥ taytees karorhee hai khayl khaanaa. He has 33,000,000 play-houses. ਚਉਰਾਸੀ ਲਖ ਫਿਰੈ ਦਿਵਾਨਾਂ ॥ चउरासी लख फिरै दिवानां ॥ cha-uraasee lakh firai divaanaaN. His beings wander insanely through 8.4 million incarnations. ਬਾਬਾ ਆਦਮ ਕਉ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਦਿਖਾਈ ॥ बाबा आदम कउ किछु नदरि दिखाई ॥ baabaa aadam ka-o kichh nadar dikhaa-ee. He bestowed His Grace on Adam, the father of mankind, ਉਨਿ ਭੀ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਘਨੇਰੀ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥ उनि भी भिसति घनेरी पाई ॥२॥ un bhee bhisat ghanayree paa-ee. ||2|| who then lived in paradise for a long time. ||2|| ਦਿਲ ਖਲਹਲੁ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਜਰਦ ਰੂ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ दिल खलहलु जा कै जरद रू बानी ॥ dil khalhal jaa kai jarad roo baanee. Pale are the faces of those whose hearts are disturbed. ਛੋਡਿ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਰੈ ਸੈਤਾਨੀ ॥ छोडि कतेब करै सैतानी ॥ chhod katayb karai saitaanee. They have forsaken their Bible, and practice Satanic evil. ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦੋਸੁ ਰੋਸੁ ਹੈ ਲੋਈ ॥ दुनीआ दोसु रोसु है लोई ॥ dunee-aa dos ros hai lo-ee. One who blames the world, and is angry with people, ਅਪਨਾ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ॥੩॥ अपना कीआ पावै सोई ॥३॥ apnaa kee-aa paavai so-ee. ||3|| shall receive the fruits of his own actions. ||3|| ਤੁਮ ਦਾਤੇ ਹਮ ਸਦਾ ਭਿਖਾਰੀ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8934 तुम दाते हम सदा भिखारी ॥ tum daatay ham sadaa bhikhaaree. You are the Great Giver, O Lord; I am forever a beggar at Your Door. ਦੇਉ ਜਬਾਬੁ ਹੋਇ ਬਜਗਾਰੀ ॥ देउ जबाबु होइ बजगारी ॥ day-o jabaab ho-ay bajgaaree. If I were to deny You, then I would be a wretched sinner. ਦਾਸੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਤੇਰੀ ਪਨਹ ਸਮਾਨਾਂ ॥ दासु कबीरु तेरी पनह समानां ॥ daas kabeer tayree panah samaanaaN. Slave Kabeer has entered Your Shelter. ਭਿਸਤੁ ਨਜੀਕਿ ਰਾਖੁ ਰਹਮਾਨਾ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੫॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8934 भिसतु नजीकि राखु रहमाना ॥४॥७॥१५॥ bhisat najeek raakh rehmaanaa. ||4||7||15|| Keep me near You, O Merciful Lord God - that is heaven for me. ||4||7||15||
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Originally Posted by vijaydeep Singh To understand it one need to have good knowldfe of Holy Kuran and Holy Bible. | No, you just have to know a well-placed metaphor when you see one.
That entire passage is just a very poetic way to say that God exists within all men. | 
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| | | | | re: What Does Sikhism Say About Adam and Eve? I would like to add more that ADAM OR EVE is somethign related to SAMAJ.
I mean since SAMAJ-SURT actualy took place by nature thru a long time period after existance of Universe is actualy is said to be ADAM - man or woman finding the feelings of responsibility. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8934
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To understand it one need to have good knowldfe of Holy Kuran and Holy Bible.
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Dear Vijaydeep Singh
Thanks for the above verse
In this verse Bhagat kabir has used bekief system of both Muslim and hindu people to give his message of accepting Akals will and as MAX mention to say that god exist in all
Kabir Ji has stressed in Rahao Pankati : ਮਜਲਸਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਮਹਲੁ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ मजलसि दूरि महलु को पावै ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ majlas door mahal ko paavai. ||1|| rahaa-o. His Court is so far away; only a rare few attain the Mansion of His Presence. ||1||Pause||
Raising a query and then answering at the end as Accepting Akal 's will
To understand it one need to have good knowldfe of Holy Kuran and Holy Bible.
In islam : there is belief of Savaa Lakh Rasool ( 1 lakh 25 thousand prophet and Prohet Muhammed to be the last )
I Hindu faith : 84 lakh junes / life menefestaion .
33 crores Devi / Devtas or Demi gods
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| | | | | re: What Does Sikhism Say About Adam and Eve? Dear all
about Adam and Eve.... I am not a philosopher or a scholar, but as I see the old Testament in the Bible..... mankind originate only about 6000 years ago whereas there is scientific proof and even mythological proof that mankind has been long before this time.... Talk about 4 yugas which some believe could be as long 125000 years and most agree that it is only 2500 years.... that would mean at least 9000 years.... again, Bible mentions that God created the whole creation in 6 days and rested on the 4th....... which we all know from scientific facts and from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ( I can't give you the parmans) that the creation has been there for much longer and took a longtime to evolve...... so what I am driving at is the metaphoric language used.... Adam and Eve could be humanity (Satyug) and that I think holds water, for when Cain (Adam's son who killed Able, another son) was banished , he went to another place and got married obviously to a woman, who must be existing somewhere where he went (another nation).... so that means Eve was not just the only woman created.... and if she was the only woman created then Cain would not be able to find another woman as Adam and Eve only had two sons and there were no more humans... so it means humanity of the Satyug ...i believe... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8934Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8934
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| | | | | re: What Does Sikhism Say About Adam and Eve? Sath Shri Akal Kanwal Paaji.
very interesting actually. i just checke my bible, and yes it says that Kain got married to a woman at the place he fled to..
i dont know much about this kaala yug...when did it start, and how?
and what does this mean: He is said to have 88,000,000 shaykhs, ਛਪਨ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਖੇਲ ਖਾਸੀ ॥੧॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8934Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8934 छपन कोटि जा के खेल खासी ॥१॥ chhapan kot jaa kay khayl khaasee. ||1|| and 56,000,000 attendants. ||1||
who are these attendants and shaykhs?
and can u provide the parmans from Sri Guru Granth Sahab Maharaj which states that the universe or earth is older than the 8000 years which the bible states it to be.. | 
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