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"Jay MahaMaya Ki!"

Eka Mai jugat viaae, Tin Chelle Parvaan ?

Sounds familiar!
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I can't understand what you mean, dear Ekmusafir_ajnabi
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ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
eaekaa maaee jugath viaaee thin chaelae paravaan ||
The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities

More of the shabad will help make sense of the meaning. It is from Jap(u)ji Sahib
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/7809-the-name-of-the-lord.html

ਆਦੇਸੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਆਦੇਸੁ ॥
aadhaes thisai aadhaes ||
I bow to Him, I humbly bow.

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ਆਦਿ ਅਨੀਲੁ ਅਨਾਦਿ ਅਨਾਹਤਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਏਕੋ ਵੇਸੁ ॥੨੯॥
aadh aneel anaadh anaahath jug jug eaeko vaes ||29||
The Primal One, the Pure Light, without beginning, without end. Throughout all the ages, He is One and the Same. ||29||


ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
eaekaa maaee jugath viaaee thin chaelae
paravaan ||
The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities.


ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
eik sansaaree eik bhanddaaree eik laaeae dheebaan ||
One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.


ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ ॥
jiv this bhaavai thivai chalaavai jiv hovai furamaan ||
He makes things happen according to the Pleasure of His Will. Such is His Celestial Order.


ਓਹੁ ਵੇਖੈ ਓਨਾ ਨਦਰਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਬਹੁਤਾ ਏਹੁ ਵਿਡਾਣੁ ॥
ouhu vaekhai ounaa nadhar n aavai bahuthaa eaehu viddaan ||
He watches over all, but none see Him. How wonderful this is!


ਆਦੇਸੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਆਦੇਸੁ ॥
aadhaes thisai aadhaes ||
I bow to Him, I humbly bow
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Re: The Name of the Lord

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ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
eaekaa maaee jugath viaaee thin chaelae paravaan ||
The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities

More of the shabad will help make sense of the meaning. It is from Jap(u)ji Sahib

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
eaekaa maaee jugath viaaee thin chaelae
paravaan ||
The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities.


ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
eik sansaaree eik bhanddaaree eik laaeae dheebaan ||
One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.


ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ ॥
jiv this bhaavai thivai chalaavai jiv hovai furamaan ||
He makes things happen according to the Pleasure of His Will. Such is His Celestial Order.
ਓਹੁ ਵੇਖੈ ਓਨਾ ਨਦਰਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਬਹੁਤਾ ਏਹੁ ਵਿਡਾਣੁ ॥
ouhu vaekhai ounaa nadhar n aavai bahuthaa eaehu viddaan ||
He watches over all, but none see Him. How wonderful this is!
ਆਦੇਸੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਆਦੇਸੁ ॥
aadhaes thisai aadhaes ||
I bow to Him, I humbly bow
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ਆਦੇਸੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਆਦੇਸੁ ॥

ਆਦਿ ਅਨੀਲੁ ਅਨਾਦਿ ਅਨਾਹਤਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਏਕੋ ਵੇਸੁ ॥30॥
aadh aneel anaadh anaahath jug jug eaeko vaes ||30||
The Primal One, the Pure Light, without beginning, without end. Throughout all the ages, He is One and the Same. ||30||


The above shabad is a response to the common fallacy of the time that there is one Mai (Divine Mother) who devised a system by concieving/giving birth to three deities. One being the creator(Bhrama), One, the sustainer(Bishan) and One , the Destroyer(Mahesh). Hence they were accepted as three primary Gods.

This concoction was used in a way to explain the creation. Guru Nanak Dev is telling us that this is not the Cellestial order. The source of these three energies / power lies beyond this concept. Even if for the sake of understanding accept these three channels, they on their own are insignificant. Guru ji say" I bow to that Energy source/God that is beyond these three Deities. The source that operates through these channels.

The "MaHamai" in Hinduism is only conceptual.
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Ekmusafir ji

I also take that to be the meaning of the shabad. "I humbly bow to Him" --- if not we would become hopelessly mired in discussions of who is the mother and who is the father on the most excruciating, literal level.
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Mahalmaya. His Creative Energy.
He makes things happen according to the Pleasure of His Will. Such is His Celestial Order.

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You left out the beginning of the shabad at the start of the quote

ਆਦੇਸੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਆਦੇਸੁ ॥
aadhaes thisai aadhaes ||
I bow to Him, I humbly bow.


ਆਦਿ ਅਨੀਲੁ ਅਨਾਦਿ ਅਨਾਹਤਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਏਕੋ ਵੇਸੁ ॥੨੯॥
aadh aneel anaadh anaahath jug jug eaeko vaes ||29||
The Primal One, the Pure Light, without beginning, without end. Throughout all the ages, He is One and the Same. ||29||

Were you pointing out that the confusion arises with the verse,

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
eaekaa maaee jugath viaaee thin chaelae paravaan ||
The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities

Which in turn gives rise to misinterpretations?


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Yes Aad ji, the Bow is to the Master of the Energies.
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Well for once there is closure for now.
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I apologise if I am off this topic but I truly appreciate if someone could actually
give me a list of all the names used in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for Waheguru like Ram, Allah, Gopal etc.
I need to do some references for my self-study.
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