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| | | | Life After Death Until technology advances even further, I doubt man will be 100% sure and absolute about that which exists after death. Until then, spirituality yields a sense of security. *
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| | | | | Re: Life After Death Q29. What happens to the individual after death? ( Source: :"Introduction to Sikhism", Author: Gobind Singh Mansukhani )  Human life is just a stage in the upward march of the soul. The individual has got birth as a human being, after going through lower forms of life. Human life is the final stage in the soul's progress to divinity. It is for us to make the most of this opportunity and thereby end our cycle of transmigration. Death means the destruction of the physical self. The ashes and bonedust mix with the elements. But the soul which leaves the body, awaits a new dwelling. Just as a person casts off worn-out garments and puts on other that are new, so the subtle soul casts off the worn-out body and dwells in a new form. If there were no continuance of the soul after death, how could it become perfect to merit union with the Almighty? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/5606-life-after-death.html Sikhism believes in the immortality of the soul. The devotee has no fear of the pangs of death. In fact he welcomes death, because it gives him a chance for the merger into Divinity. The evil person, however, dreads death. For him, it will lead to the unending cycle of birth and death. After death, man comes to the next birth according to what he deserves. If he has been wicked and evil, he takes birth in the lower species. If he has done good deeds, he takes birth in a good family. The cycle of birth and death keeps the soul away from Divinity. It can merge with God, only if the individual, by spiritual effort, has amassed the capital of the Name(the Holy spirit as understood by Christians) and thus lives with the Holy Spirit. Guru Arjan in the Sukhmani dwells on the sad plight of the soul which is not endowed with the Name. The soul in its lonely march through darkness can only find sustenance in the word of God. Otherwise it feels the weariness and pain of isolation. The soul, Jiva, is a part of God. It is deathless like Him. Before creation, it lived with God. After Creation it takes bodily forms according to His Will. The soul is, however, nourished by virtue and meditation on "The name". The transmigration of the soul can come to an end by meditation and divine grace. ================================================== ===== This Shabad is by Bhagat Trilochan Ji in Raag Gujri on Pannaa 526 gUjrI ]
AMiq kwil jo lCmI ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
srp join vil vil AauqrY ]1]
ArI bweI goibd nwmu miq bIsrY ] rhwau ]
AMiq kwil jo iesqRI ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
bysvw join vil vil AauqrY ]2]
AMiq kwil jo liVky ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
sUkr join vil vil AauqrY ]3]
AMiq kwil jo mMdr ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
pRyq join vil vil AauqrY ]4]
AMiq kwil nwrwiexu ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ]
bdiq iqlocnu qy nr mukqw pIqMbru vw ky irdY bsY ]5]2] goojaree ||
a(n)th kaal jo lashhamee simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
sarap jon val val aoutharai ||1||
aree baaee gobidh naam math beesarai || rehaao ||
a(n)th kaal jo eisathree simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
baesavaa jon val val aoutharai ||2||
a(n)th kaal jo larrikae simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai || Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5606
sookar jon val val aoutharai ||3||
a(n)th kaal jo ma(n)dhar simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
praeth jon val val aoutharai ||4||
a(n)th kaal naaraaein simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai ||
badhath thilochan thae nar mukathaa peetha(n)bar vaa kae ridhai basai ||5||2|| Goojaree:
At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts,
shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents. ||1||
O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause||
At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts,
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2||
At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts,
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3||
At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts,
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin. ||4||
At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts,
says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2||
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22-Sep-2005, 21:55 PM
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| | | | | | | Re: Life After Death WJKK
WJKF
Dear Soul Jyotji has said very truly. Gurbani always enlight our soul but we may be with our wrong perception wrongly, deal with the Gurbani. Every Gursikh has the right to go for his perception and idea. isrIrwgu mhlw 5 ] imTw kir kY KwieAw kauVw aupijAw swdu ] BweI mIq suird kIey ibiKAw ricAw bwdu ] jWdy iblm n hoveI ivxu nwvY ibsmwdu ]1] myry mn sqgur kI syvw lwgu ] jo dIsY so ivxsxw mn kI miq iqAwgu ]1] rhwau ] ijau kUkru hrkwieAw DwvY dh ids jwie ] loBI jMqu n jwxeI BKu ABKu sB Kwie ] kwm k®oD mid ibAwipAw iPir iPir jonI pwie ]2] mwieAw jwlu pswirAw BIqir cog bxwie ] iqRsnw pMKI PwisAw inksu n pwey mwie ] ijin kIqw iqsih n jwxeI iPir iPir AwvY jwieReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5606 ]3] Aink pRkwrI moihAw bhu ibiD iehu sMswru ] ijs no rKY so rhY sMimRQu purKu Apwru ] hir jn hir ilv auDry nwnk sd bilhwru ]4]21]91] {pMnw 50} Not only at the last time, one cannot get the Kirpa of Satguru until he is pure at Heart, Living without 5Chors. In My perception God has created just two people. And on every birth a bad man/woman born, So they left at Earth to get birth again. Good persons with good deeds , from the begenning of mankind, are always going to Baikunth. But they are so less in numbers that we are now more than 6,000,000,000. Not all are bad But more than enough are back again and again. We don't know about where we go after Death but we Can Go to Baikunth By be pure at Heart. We have to be pure at the piece of Earth, we are standing or sitting. But most of us are living with Ninda, Chugli,teri-meri, Which are the main obstacles towards getting closer to Baikunth. May GOD give us the light to enlight the World with good pure deeds. gauVI bYrwgix mhlw 4 ] ijsu imilAY min hoie AnMdu so siqguru khIAY ] mn kI duibDw ibnisReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5606 jwie hir prm pdu lhIAY ]1] myrw siqguru ipAwrw ikqu ibiD imlY ] hau iKnu iKnu krI nmskwru myrw guru pUrw ikau imlY ]1] rhwau ] kir ikrpw hir myilAw myrw siqguru pUrw ] ieC puMnI jn kyrIAw ly siqgur DUrw ]2] hir Bgiq idRVwvY hir Bgiq suxY iqsu siqgur imlIAY ] qotw mUil n AwveI hir lwBu iniq idRVIAY ]3] ijs kau irdY ivgwsu hY Bwau dUjw nwhI ] nwnk iqsu gur imil auDrY hir gux gwvwhI ]4]8]14]52] {pMnw 168}
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22-Sep-2005, 23:55 PM
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| | | | | Re: Life After Death I dont believe it... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5606
there is no life after death.
I ask...what is "Life before birth?"
Just like before birth you remember nothing, you know nothing...you don't exist. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5606
After death...you know nothing, you remember nothing...because you cease to exist. Soul/Mind/Body...everything ceases to exist. | 
23-Sep-2005, 00:34 AM
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| | | | | Re: Life After Death Quote:
I dont believe it...
there is no life after death.
I ask...what is "Life before birth?"
Just like before birth you remember nothing, you know nothing...you don't exist.
After death...you know nothing, you remember nothing...because you cease to exist. Soul/Mind/Body...everything ceases to exist.
| Dear Sikh
I respect your bekief and strong conviction brother believe me I am not being sarcistic or anything like that so dont get me wrong
I an just being inquistive But i would like to know what do you understand by what this part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Says ( as same mentioned above by Soul Jyot) AMg 526 ang 526
Page 526 gUjrI ] g oojuree
Goojaree: AMiq kwil jo lCmI ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ] anth k aal jo lushumee simuraiaisee chinthaa mehi jae murai
At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts, srp join vil vil AauqrY ]1] surup j on val val aouthurai
shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents. ||1|| ArI bweI goibd nwmu miq bIsrY ] rhwau ] ar ee baaee gobidh naam math beesurai
O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause|| AMiq kwil jo iesqRI ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ] anth k aal jo eisuthree simuraiaisee chinthaa mehi jae murai
At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts, bysvw join vil vil AauqrY ]2] b aesuvaa jon val val aouthurai
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2|| AMiq kwil jo liVky ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ] anth k aal jo larrikae simuraiaisee chinthaa mehi jae murai
At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts, sUkr join vil vil AauqrY ]3] s ookur jon val val aouthurai
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3|| AMiq kwil jo mMdr ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ] anth k aal jo mundhur simuraiaisee chinthaa mehi jae murai
At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts, pRyq join vil vil AauqrY ]4] pr aeth jon val val aouthurai
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin. ||4|| AMiq kwil nwrwiexu ismrY AYsI icMqw mih jy mrY ] anth k aal naaraaein simuraiaisee chinthaa mehi jae murai
At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts, bdiq iqlocnu qy nr mukqw pIqMbru vw ky irdY bsY ]5]2] budhath th ilochun thae nur mukuthaa peethunbur vaa kae ridhai busai
says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2|| Jatinder Singh | 
23-Sep-2005, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by S|kH I dont believe it...
there is no life after death.
I ask...what is "Life before birth?"
Just like before birth you remember nothing, you know nothing...you don't exist.
After death...you know nothing, you remember nothing...because you cease to exist. Soul/Mind/Body...everything ceases to exist. | wjkk
wjkf
you don't beleive in life after death here are lines of kabir ji
AYsy Gr hm bhuqu bswey ] (326-1, gauVI, kbIr jI)
aisay ghar ham bahut basaa-ay.
I lived in many such homes, O Lord,
jb hm rwm grB hoie Awey ]1] rhwau ] (326-1, gauVI, kbIr jI)
jab ham raam garabh ho-ay aa-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
before I came into the womb this time. ||1||Pause||
jogI jqI qpI bRhmcwrI ] (326-2, gauVI, kbIr jI)
jogee jatee tapee barahamchaaree.
I was a Yogi, a celibate, a penitent, and a Brahmchaaree, with strict self-discipline.
kbhU rwjw CqRpiq kbhU ByKwrI ]2] (326-2, gauVI, kbIr jI)
kabhoo raajaa chhatarpat kabhoo bhaykhaaree. ||2||
Sometimes I was a king, sitting on the throne, and sometimes I was a beggar. ||2||
swkq mrih sMq siB jIvih ] (326-2, gauVI, kbIr jI)
saakat mareh sant sabh jeeveh.
The faithless cynics shall die, while the Saints shall all survive.
rwm rswienu rsnw pIvih ]3] (326-3, gauVI, kbIr jI)
raam rasaa-in rasnaa peeveh. ||3||
They drink in the Lord's Ambrosial Essence with their tongues. ||3||
khu kbIr pRB ikrpw kIjY ] (326-3, gauVI, kbIr jI)
kabir ji clearly write about his previous lives. | 
24-Sep-2005, 10:28 AM
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| | | | | | | Re: Life After Death Dear S|kH, What do you think? Is there no other things, except your previous birth, has no remmembrance. You are mistaken, we don't remmember a lot of things of our today's life. Do you believe in Guru Nanak's Bani of which said ANAHAT, What is Anahat? Anahat is the sound which can be heard without the ears. And by Me or You We can't hear anything without ears. But some Gursikh can. Don't say NO to anything when you have no idea about it. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5606 isrIrwgu mhl 1 ] qnu jil bil mwtI BieAw mnu mwieAw moih mnUru ] Aaugx iPir lwgU Bey kUir vjwvY qUru ] ibnu sbdY BrmweIAY duibDw foby pUru ]1] mn ry sbid qrhu icqu lwie ] ijin gurmuiK nwmu n bUiJAw mir jnmY AwvY jwie ]1] rhwau ] qnu sUcw so AwKIAY ijsu mih swcw nwau ] BY sic rwqI dyhurI ijhvw scu suAwau ] scI ndir inhwlIAY bhuiV n pwvY qwau ] 2] swcy qy pvnw BieAw pvnY qy jlu hoie ] jl qy iqRBvxu swijAw Git Git joiq smoie ] inrmlu mYlw nw QIAY sbid rqy piq hoie ]3] iehu mnu swic sMqoiKAw ndir kry iqsu mwih ] pMc BUq sic BY rqy joiq scI mn mwih ] nwnk Aaugx vIsry guir rwKy piq qwih ]4]15]{pMnw19} Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5606 | 
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Originally Posted by Aman Singh Until technology advances even further, I doubt man will be 100% sure and absolute about that which exists after death. Until then, spirituality yields a sense of security. | I don't think technology(howsoever advanced it may be)will ever be able to tell you what lies beyond death!
For this one has to turn to spirituality or whatever belief system one has. | 
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| | | | | | Re: Life After Death Harsimiritkaurji knows the answer to this question . | 
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