Pope vs Santa Singh

Pope vs Santa Singh
About a century or two ago, the Pope decided that all the Sikhs had to leave Italy. Naturally there was a big uproar from the Sikh community.
So the Pope made a deal. He would have a religious debate with a member of the Sikh community. If the Sikh won, the sikhs could stay. If the Pope won, the Sikhs would leave.

The Sikhs realized that they had no choice. So they picked a middle aged man named Santa Singh to represent them. Santa Singh asked for one addition to the debate. To make it more interesting, neither side would be allowed to talk. The Pope agreed.

The day of the great debate came. Santa Singh and the Pope sat opposite each other for a full minute before the Pope raised his hand and showed three fingers. Santa Singh looked back at him and raised one finger.
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The Pope waved his fingers in a circle around his head Santa Singh pointed to the ground where he sat. The Pope pulled out a wafer and a glass of wine. Santa Singh pulled out an apple.
The Pope stood up and said, "I give up. This man is too good. The Sikhs can stay."
An hour later, the cardinals were all around the Pope asking him what had happened. The Pope said, "First I held up three fingers to represent the trinity. He responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there was still one God common to both our religions. Then I waved my finger around me to show him that God was all around us. He responded by
pointing to the ground and showing that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and wafer to show that God absolves us from our sins. He pulled out an apple to remind me of original sin. He had an answer for everything. What could I do?"
Meanwhile, the Sikh community had crowded around Santa Singh. "What happened?" they asked. "Well," said Santa Singh, "First he said to me that the Sikhs had three days to get out of here. I told him that not one of us was leaving. Then he told me that this whole city would be cleared of Sikhs. I let him know that we were staying right here."
"Yes, yes and then?"asked the crowd.
"I don't know", said Santa Singh, "He took out his lunch, and I took out mine!!!"

 
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Singh ji da lunch might be guided by: An apple a day, keeps the xxxxxx away

I heard of this before but i think it was a Jewish leader and the pope

The above post has summed up the SIKH/KHALSA mentality today. It is only the grace of God that Sikhism is alive. Santa Singh here represents the typical Sikh out there and the Moderators in this Forum, who are living their own cocoons, oblivious of Guru's teaching.
Sikhism is surviving by the grace of the Sadhu/Sant and Brahmgyani's in the world around us we are all literally enjoying the fruits of their labour and making no contribution. If you love Sikhsim then wake up out your dreams.

Jios,

Ang 6 Jap(u)ji Sahib Maharaj,
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this vich dhharathee thhaap rakhee dhharam saal ||

I fail to see how Santa Singh "represents the typical Sikh out there and the Moderators in this Forum, who are living their own cocoons, oblivious of Guru's teaching."

Quite elementary Bhagat ji

ਭਗਤਾ ਤੈ ਸੈਸਾਰੀਆ ਜੋੜੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਆਇਆ ॥
Between the Lord's devotees and the people of the world, there can never be any true alliance.

Yet there is hope for some

ਪਉੜੀ ॥
pourree ||
Pauree:

ਭਗਤਾ ਤੈ ਸੈਸਾਰੀਆ ਜੋੜੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਆਇਆ ॥
bhagathaa thai saisaareeaa jorr kadhae n aaeiaa ||
Between the Lord's devotees and the people of the world, there can never be any true alliance.


ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਅਭੁਲੁ ਹੈ ਨ ਭੁਲੈ ਕਿਸੈ ਦਾ ਭੁਲਾਇਆ ॥
karathaa aap abhul hai n bhulai kisai dhaa bhulaaeiaa ||
The Creator Himself is infallible. He cannot be fooled; no one can fool Him.


ਭਗਤ ਆਪੇ ਮੇਲਿਅਨੁ ਜਿਨੀ ਸਚੋ ਸਚੁ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥
bhagath aapae maelian jinee sacho sach kamaaeiaa ||
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He blends His devotees with Himself; they practice Truth, and only Truth.


ਸੈਸਾਰੀ ਆਪਿ ਖੁਆਇਅਨੁ ਜਿਨੀ ਕੂੜੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਬੋਲਿ ਬਿਖੁ ਖਾਇਆ ॥
saisaaree aap khuaaeian jinee koorr bol bol bikh khaaeiaa ||
The Lord Himself leads the people of the world astray; they tell lies, and by telling lies, they eat poison.


ਚਲਣ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣਨੀ ਕਾਮੁ ਕਰੋਧੁ ਵਿਸੁ ਵਧਾਇਆ ॥
chalan saar n jaananee kaam karodhh vis vadhhaaeiaa ||
They do not recognize the ultimate reality, that we all must go; they continue to cultivate the poisons of sexual desire and anger.


ਭਗਤ ਕਰਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਚਾਕਰੀ ਜਿਨੀ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥
bhagath karan har chaakaree jinee anadhin naam dhhiaaeiaa ||
The devotees serve the Lord; night and day, they meditate on the Naam.

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ਦਾਸਨਿ ਦਾਸ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ ਜਿਨੀ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥
dhaasan dhaas hoe kai jinee vichahu aap gavaaeiaa ||
Becoming the slaves of the Lord's slaves, they eradicate selfishness and conceit from within.
ਓਨਾ ਖਸਮੈ ਕੈ ਦਰਿ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਸਚੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਸੁਹਾਇਆ ॥੧੬॥
ounaa khasamai kai dhar mukh oujalae sachai sabadh suhaaeiaa ||16||
In the Court of their Lord and Master, their faces are radiant; they are embellished and exalted with the True Word of the Shabad. ||16|

ਪਉੜੀ ॥
pourree ||
Pauree:

ਭਗਤਾ ਤੈ ਸੈਸਾਰੀਆ ਜੋੜੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਆਇਆ ॥
bhagathaa thai saisaareeaa jorr kadhae n aaeiaa ||
Between the Lord's devotees and the people of the world, there can never be any true alliance.


ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਅਭੁਲੁ ਹੈ ਨ ਭੁਲੈ ਕਿਸੈ ਦਾ ਭੁਲਾਇਆ ॥
karathaa aap abhul hai n bhulai kisai dhaa bhulaaeiaa ||
The Creator Himself is infallible. He cannot be fooled even if one tries.


ਭਗਤ ਆਪੇ ਮੇਲਿਅਨੁ ਜਿਨੀ ਸਚੋ ਸਚੁ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥
bhagath aapae maelian jinee sacho sach kamaaeiaa ||
He blends His devotees with Himself; they practice Truth, and only Truth.


ਸੈਸਾਰੀ ਆਪਿ ਖੁਆਇਅਨੁ ਜਿਨੀ ਕੂੜੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਬੋਲਿ ਬਿਖੁ ਖਾਇਆ ॥
saisaaree aap khuaaeian jinee koorr bol bol bikh khaaeiaa ||
The people of the world lead themselves astray; they tell lies, and by telling lies, they eat poison.


ਚਲਣ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣਨੀ ਕਾਮੁ ਕਰੋਧੁ ਵਿਸੁ ਵਧਾਇਆ ॥
chalan saar n jaananee kaam karodhh vis vadhhaaeiaa ||
They do not recognize the ultimate reality, that we all must go; they continue to cultivate the poisons of sexual desire and anger.


ਭਗਤ ਕਰਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਚਾਕਰੀ ਜਿਨੀ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥
bhagath karan har chaakaree jinee anadhin naam dhhiaaeiaa ||
The devotees serve the Lord; night and day, they meditate on the Naam.


ਦਾਸਨਿ ਦਾਸ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ ਜਿਨੀ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥
dhaasan dhaas hoe kai jinee vichahu aap gavaaeiaa ||
By becoming the slaves of the Lord's slaves, they eradicate selfishness and conceit from within. (they loose the "I" within)

ਓਨਾ ਖਸਮੈ ਕੈ ਦਰਿ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਸਚੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਸੁਹਾਇਆ ॥੧੬॥
ounaa khasamai kai dhar mukh oujalae sachai sabadh suhaaeiaa ||16||
Their faces are radiant In the Court of their Lord and Master,; they are embellished and exalted by the True Word of the Shabad. ||16|[/quote]


Santan Makhan Khayeoo, Shaash piae Sansar.

The translation does not make sense. This is the world of Santa Singh. Ignorance is Bliss.

Common misconception to show that everything is his Hukam. Hukam is there to follow but choice is also available whether to practice Hukam or not. Hope is only there if you practice Hukam

ਸੈਸਾਰੀ - Sansaaree - Worldly order
ਆਪਿ - themselves but used as himself. Incorrect usage here. Although "Aap" can also be used to mean HIMSELF.

<<Sikhism is surviving by the grace of the Sadhu/Sant and Brahmgyani's in the world around us we are all literally enjoying the fruits of their labour and making no contribution. If you love Sikhsim then wake up out your dreams.>>
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ajnabi ji

can sikhism die?

yes, maybe

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can sikhi die... nope sir..and that's where ur wrong