What value if someone gets you to Find/See/Realize God/Creator?

Navdeep Bhenji,

In my opinion, and this applies to all religion in general, although it seems to affect them with varying degrees, most people see religion as a keystone within their community.Although they may not understand what they are doing, practice of their religion becomes rote, to maintain their social position.

Taking this tack means that these people do not have to dedicate any time or attempt understanding of the core beliefs.

They truly believe that going through the motions they are achieving the complete esence of their religion

It is the line of thought that if one says ones prayers in the morning, and then walks past someone struggling with the shopping in the bitter cold, and chooses to walk by confident that they are in favour with God, or worse, choose to help purely for being lauded, that this will give them the enlightenment they seek, but they continually miss the point.

 
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I agree Sian Ji,

not to get too weird or deep or wutever but I think the strongest thing any person has going for them at any moment is the intent of their heart.

but I think often times we're just trynna survive, so whereever a person is, at whatever stage, as long as thier heart is good, I think that counts for a lot. I love religious folk, regardless of the differences between the religions themselves, and the obvious differences in personalities, I like people who at least have some purpose to thier lives, know and care about their own basic dignity and that of others.

It's sad to say but that is something lacking in the west... Stuff has replaced people. Relationships that are supposed to be sacred and special, and enduring are viewed as disposable. It's sad. I really think first you have to love others deeply, the people God has already sent you to, in order to even hope for any relation with God.

sorry im just rambling...

Navdeep Bhenji

thats some beautiful inciteful rambling, don't ever stop

If someone could infact hold the key or take me across the steps so that I could unite with God and become 'one' with him, regardless of wether I deserve to or not......mmmmhhhh....... That would be considered cheating in a way .....But, firstly, in all honesty I would not believe the person who's trying to show me the way.

This is the sad face of society today, as we are all aware that plenty of fake babas and pakhandies roam this planet trying to capture the vunerable by misleading them.
So, at first, I honestly would question the integrity of the person trying to convince me for an easy ride to God. I would consider them a fake and investigate further to rule this out.

If I overcame and bypassed this stage of questioning and decided to hold this guys hand or whatever to help me across.
Then I couldn't put any kind of material price on this. At this stage, knowing I shall be vibrating at the same frequency in unison with the divine for akal murat.
I would let go and give up my hold on ALL worldly material attachments quite easily.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/37999-what-value-if-someone-gets-you.html

So, in terms of a price, I would be giving all I posess and own as there would be no need for it any longer.
ALL ego, every cell in my body that says 'me' would be completely eradicated.
The difficult part would be detaching from your loved ones, leaving them behind.
But this would be overcome by placing ALL faith in the hukam

I would be open and prepared to mould with the divine according to the will of God.


So the value, could be seen as very high, being it all I own.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37999

Or in my view it would be seen as nothing, just an attachment that gives me a false sense of value, and I having no more regardfor any attachment. The priceless gift would be what's ahead that i'm about to encounter.

Waheguru
Luckysingh

Luckysingh ji perhaps we can cut a more practical deal. Help someone beyond your own with value. The value does not have to be physical but could be guiding a person, helping someone cross the road, cheer someone up at the shop, connect to an animal, .... See if you start seeing yourself discovering God/creator or getting to understand. No high goals just bit at a time. If you do all this already do it a little more.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37999
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37999

Sat Sri Akal.

haha... thank you sian and harry ji.

its what i revert to when everything else is wack... some b/c of my own shortcomings, others b/c of pressures...

meh, i guess that's life. silly little, somtimes hella scary thing... wuteves, guess its gotta be dealt w/ bit by bit.

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37999
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37999
" Who looks out with my eyes?
What is the soul?
I cannot stop asking.
If I could taste one sip of an answer,
I could break out of this prison for drunks.
I didn't come here of my own accord,
and I can't leave that way.
Whoever brought me here will have
to take me home."
- Rumi,

"You have learnt so much
And read a thousand books.
Have you ever read your Self?
You have gone to mosque and temple.
Have you ever visited your soul?
You are busy fighting Satan.
Have you ever fought your
Ill intentions?
You have reached into the skies,
But you have failed to reach
What's in your heart!"
- Bulleh Shah

Veer sp ji thanks for the post. I never get tired of listening to renditions of Baba Bulleh Shah. Straight Shooter and like Sheikh Farid ji in many ways. I am sure if Baba Bulleh Sha was present during Guru ji's time he would have met them just like Shah Hussain.

One of my favorite Kafis of Baba Bulleh Shah ji,

Abida Parveen Sings Bulleh Shah

Sat Sri Akal.

Not happy with the poll results versus how many follow Babey/Shabey/Dehras, etc.

SPECIAL OFFER/ONE TIME ONLY: So to get a real feel the price targets for the following option have been dropped,
Example 1: Taking Basic goods and Massage/Touch

Example 2: Touchy Feely


Sat Sri Akal.