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Faith schools only serve to alienate members of society

September 8, 2010 by Hannah Davies ~ The Journal Source:


Sep 8 2010: AS CHILDREN return to a new school year many of them will also be returning to the celebration of faiths they do not believe in.

That’s just one of the myriad of problems with faith schools, whether Evangelical, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish or other.

I would ban all state association with faith schools, all of them. Education is about educating, it is not about indoctrinating.

We live in a free society where anyone can practice any religion openly and without risk of prosecution.

Why then do we allow schools to exist which openly preach one way of life is better than another?

There’s no place for promoting one religion above the other in a modern multicultural society and faith schools do nothing but encourage the separation of society and alienation of different groups within it.

As an atheist growing up and attending the local Church of England Schools, primary and comprehensive, I felt very alienated by the religious practices which occurred throughout my childhood. I was told by one pupil I’d “die tomorrow” when I confessed to not believing in God (admittedly we were about six) and, in the end, I just used to chant along, eyes shut, to be the same as everyone else.

I imagine it’d have been even more alienating if I’d been a Sikh.

There is a place for education on religion. It's called religious education.
That’s the correct place to discuss different theologies in a comparative context.

It's important to educate children about different religions because it promotes the understanding of different people and cultures. Which is exactly what faith schools do not do.

They teach one particular religion is worthy of more attention than others, which is wrong.

Many parents actively seek to get their children into faith schools. Often that’s more to do with results than religious beliefs.

Increasing numbers of parents, who are atheist or at best agnostic, find their children having to take part in the rituals of a religion they don’t believe in, in exchange for a decent education.

Because that is often the pay-off. Frequently faith schools are seen as desirable, because of the extra funding they get, from churches or religious philanthropists.

This desirability is a situation which perpetuates itself. And faith schools’ admission policies are often much more selective.

And so you get people exaggerating their church-going (a couple of times a year for weddings and christenings) or even claiming a faith which they don’t have to get their children into schools.

And there is another compromise, which is more worrying. Faith schools often preach under the guise of education which is to my mind indefensible.

Lets take Creationism.

Science is a discipline founded on the basis of provable fact and yet there are faith schools teaching Creationism as science.

This is simply just taking a belief system and placing it into a discipline where it has absolutely no right to be.

We may as well teach TS Elliot’s “This is the way the world ends, Not with a bang but a whimper,” a scientific fact about the end of the world rather than “Armageddon”.

But let’s face it, it isn’t definite fact is it? It’s comment on the human condition and how we fit into the world, just as religion is a way of making sense of the world.

Religion is theory and conjecture, not fact – and science is based on fact.
Also faith schools can either knowingly, or let’s give them the benefit of doubt, unknowingly, preach levels of intolerance which are unacceptable in modern society.

Let’s look at the issue of homosexuality. You have schools preaching the Bible or Koran or Torah that same sex relationships are “wrong”.

Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus for example say: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.”, and “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them”.

Of course most people following religions are moderate people, and there are plenty of homosexual priests, but faith schools which preach the Bible as indefatigable truth are indoctrinating people and influencing people negatively.

It’s not like there is no other time for people to get involved with their faith either. That’s why churches have Sunday schools and there’s mosques and Hindu temples – pretty much every religion you know offers some kind of education for its young outside of school hours.

We live in an increasingly diverse society and our education system, which is largely based on equality, should treat faiths on an equal footing in religious education.

Parents who want to can always pay to send their children to a private faith school.

But state sponsorship is a different matter. Free education for all should be based on education only, not indoctrination.

Society has always worked best when it is integrated, when rich live alongside poor, when Muslims live alongside Christians. You separate people and you create a “difference”, which leads to misunderstandings.

My child will be able to follow his own religious path and I want him to make up his own mind. Inevitably there will be influence from my husband and myself and our cultural traditions – we celebrate Christian festivals for example.

But I don’t want him to feel the alienation I did growing up in a religious education system. I want his education to be completely non-secular leaving him to determine his own spiritual path when he is old enough to do so.

http://www.journallive.co.uk/lifesty...34-27220656/2/
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UK's first Sikh temple school opens its doors
By Poonam Taneja BBC Asian Network



Headteacher Kawal Singh gives a tour of the UK's first Sikh temple school

The UK's first school to be established by a Sikh temple has opened at Southall in West London, home to one of the largest Sikh communities in the country.

A special tandoor will cook traditional Punjabi cuisine. And the classrooms of the Khalsa Voluntary Aided Primary School are painted in the Sikh colours of saffron and blue.

The alphabet is carved into the walls in Gurmukhi - the most common script used for writing Punjabi. While the Nishan Sahib, the Sikh flag, triangular and saffron-coloured, hangs from a tall, stone pole.

We will always make sure we are a school in England - we are looking at British Sikhs who are going to be global citizens”
End Quote Kawal Singh Headteacher

"Whatever we teach will be underpinned by Sikh values and ethos," says the new school's headteacher Kawal Singh.

Pupils will study the national curriculum but will also learn the Punjabi language and Sikh history.
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Mrs Singh says the pupils will also learn about other faiths and they will celebrate religious festivals including Christmas and Diwali.

And 20% of places are reserved for non-Sikhs.

"We will always make sure we are a school in England - that we are looking at British Sikhs who are going to be global citizens."

"We have relationships with other schools, which are not Sikh schools, where the children have visited" says Mrs Singh.

"They have visited us in the gurdwara, so we will make sure that we always remain in the mainstream.

There are currently 170 children at the school and it is already oversubscribed.

It will grow as new pupils join the reception class each year, until it reaches capacity of 470.

Although there are three other state-funded Sikh schools in the UK, this is the first to be officially affiliated to a gurdwara.

Sikh values



Mantej Singh Notay's son will attend the new school

Mantej Singh Notay is confident the new school is right for his son Arjun.
"He will mix with teachers that are living by Sikh values. He will mix with teachers that have values of their own, whether they are Sikh or not.
"He can live and learn in the environment we have chosen to send him to because we are comfortable with that environment.

"I was the first child in my school who had a turban and I had problems with that. I had my turban knocked off, I got bullied.

"So for me it is about trying to get him all the knowledge, the ammunition, he needs to live his life as a strong Sikh and also as a strong person in society.

"Coming to a Sikh school, he will get all the educational factors but he will also get with that all the Sikh factors and come out as a better human being as a result of it."

Oversubscribed A huge, stone arch marks the entrance to the cedar-clad, two-storey building which is in a conservation area.

There is a kitchen, garden and woodland trail for the children to explore. School lunches will be strictly vegetarian, in accordance with Sikh teachings.

At the heart of the school is a temple that contains the Sikh holy book, the Guru Granth Sahib.

Here, pupils will remove their shoes and cover their heads, starting the day with 20 minutes of prayer before lessons.

"There has been pressure for a long time from the community to start a gurdwara school," says Surinder Singh Purewal, the General-Secretary at the Sri Guru Singh Sabha Gurdwara, the largest Sikh temple outside India.
"In India, gurdwaras run schools as well as colleges. In the Sikh holy scriptures, there is a lot of emphasis on educating kids, so that is where it comes from."

The local community raised £5m of the total £12m cost of the new state of the art, environmentally-friendly building, with the remainder of the funding coming from the Department for Education.

And Mr Purewal is confident other Sikh temples will follow their example.
"I know that other gurdwaras are already looking at it. They are thinking of taking a leaf out of this book.

"It can be done and we will give our help and advice to anyone who wants to do it."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11197447


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Faith schools are a must for minority Religions Like Sikhs,Jews etc for there survival.The kids of minority Religions are always under so much pressure from society ,Media ,Tv to behave,dress like majority.In that type of environment Faith school is like a boon where they can learn a lot about there Religion.
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Ultimately I would have to say that I think they are not a good idea. I stay in the West of Scotland...a geographic region that has had a strong influence from Northern Irish migrants.
Religious bigotry between Catholics and Protestants is rife..it's like a social disease

And as long as there are separate schools building these barriers in young impressionable children in their formative years, it is unlikely this sad position will ever change
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I believe there is a place for religious schooling at home or in a temple but not permanently in a place of education.

One global world religion is unlikely to happen in my or my great great grandchildren's (I should be so lucky!) lifetime. Shame as Sikhism would be ideal being more tolerant and less dogmatic and not steeped in irrelevant ritual
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So as long as different belief systems exist, we should acknowledge and embrace their rich diversity and take what is best from all of them. Instead of nurturing differences that will last a lifetime and flow through to subsequent generations
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Having said all that in my last post, it would be really fascinating to see what fine citizens develop from the Sikh school and how they compare to their peers in non-Sikh schools both in terms of academic achievement and their place in and contribution to wider society....
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Faith schools are a recipe for social disaster

Only mixed education can properly dispel ignorance and fear

by Jonathan Romain


THIS may get me into trouble. On Monday the Jewish New Year begins. Unlike the secular new year — largely a boisterous time characterised by revelry and champagne — Rosh Hashannah is a very serious and sober occasion.

Jews spend the day in synagogue, even the lapsed ones who do not normally attend services. We reflect on our conduct during the past 12 months and make resolutions to repeat the good things we did, remedy the hurts we caused and set goals for the coming year.

Here lies my problem. My resolution this year may make sense to some, but will be seen as heresy to others, especially fellow rabbis (and many vicars and imams). I resolve to speak out against faith schools, a trend that is rooted in good intent but carries many dangers.

I have every admiration for those who wish to pass on their religious heritage to the next generation, and indeed spend much of my life doing so, both as a congregational rabbi and as a parent. For this very reason, Judaism has no equivalent of monks and nuns, and sees no point in being celibate, for one definition of a good Jew is one who has a Jewish child.

This accounts for the surprising inclusion of Isaac alongside Abraham and Jacob in the Jewish list of the Patriarchs. Frankly, he was rather a nonentity compared with his illustrious father and powerful son, but his great merit was maintaining the link, without which there would have been no Jacob, nor subsequent history.

The problem with faith schools is not their purpose but their consequences. They may be designed to inculcate religious values, but they result in religious ghettos, which can destabilise the social health of the country at large.

Even those faith schools that genuinely try to reach out to the wider community and teach good citizenship still segregate Jewish, Muslim or Catholic children from each other and bring them up in what amounts to an educational apartheid system.

Lack of contact leads to ignorance of each other, which can breed suspicion and produce fear and hostility. The best way of finding out about members of other religions is not by reading books, but by mixing with them.

I want my children to sit next to a Sikh in class, play football in the break with a Methodist, do homework with a Hindu and walk to the bus stop with a Muslim before returning to their Jewish home. That way they will see how much they have in common, realise where they differ, and find each other interesting rather than threatening. It is equally important for Catholic and Muslim youngsters to understand why my children are Jewish and what that means.

Moreover, it is not just the children who are being cut off from each other in faith schools, but parents too. They cannot meet and form friendships with mothers and fathers from other traditions at the school gate, at sports days or at parent-techer association meetings. We need to work hard in the opposite direction: the more multifaith Britain becomes, the more we have to ensure that different groups do not grow apart.
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We have already had a warning. After the riots in Bradford and Burnley, the Ouseley report blamed the segregation in schools for heightening the divide between different local communities. It was not the sole reason, but a contributing factor.

We also saw the terrible scenes of Catholic children having to run the gauntlet of screaming Protestants to reach Holy Cross School in Belfast. Had those Protestant parents mixed with Catholic children 30 years ago, they might have grown up knowing that Catholics are not demons but ordinary kids who eat crisps and enjoy skateboarding. 30 years later those Protestants might not have been so fearful or hate-filled as to man barricades against children.

In England, thankfully, we have not such dire problems — but it seems madness to consciously lay the foundations that might produce them. By creating a range of separate faith schools, we will prevent integration and encourage separation. We have spent more than a century ridding ourselves of class divisions; why now rush to replace them with religious barriers?

My preferred solution would be to encourage schools that are cross-religious: neither allied to one particular faith nor given to regarding religion as a waste of time. Instead, they should treat faith seriously, while accommodating aetheism, and should explore the richness of each tradition.

At the same time, such schools would seek to replicate the undoubted achievements of some faith schools — be it academic success, parental involvement or moral climate — and harness them to a more inclusive environment. Meanwhile, children should receive their religious direction from the source that has the greatest impact: the home. This can be supplemented by after-school classes or weekend religion schooling if parents so wish.
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Schools must build bridges, not erect barriers. However good some faith schools are individually, collectively they are a recipe for social disaster.

Leaders of all faiths should put aside religious self-interest and make national cohesion a higher priority. At the same time, MPs who can see political advantage in supporting local sectarian demands should have the courage to ignore calls for religious preferences and work towards the greater good of communal integration.

Of course, the more tolerant and harmonious society is as a whole, the safer and more valued are its component parts, especially minority ones. All sectors will be better off if we maintain our own traditions, but study and play alongside each other, respecting differences but sharing common values. It will also lead to brighter prospects at this time of year.

Rabbi Dr Jonathan Romain is minister of Maidenhead Synagogue and author of Reform Judaism and Modernity (SCM Press)

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I wonder whether the solution should be regional. In places like UK, Canada, US, faith schools would be a BAD idea as it increases differences, prejudice, misunderstanding, suspicion and divisions. Religious education about all faiths should be made more comprehensive in every school. However, Indian society works very differently and Hinduism in particular likes to amalgamate every other culture into it's fold. Maybe faith schools there are not such a bad idea as long as all schools teach tolerance of others.
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I wonder whether the solution should be regional. In places like UK, Canada, US, faith schools would be a BAD idea as it increases differences, prejudice, misunderstanding, suspicion and divisions. Religious education about all faiths should be made more comprehensive in every school. However, Indian society works very differently and Hinduism in particular likes to amalgamate every other culture into it's fold. Maybe faith schools there are not such a bad idea as long as all schools teach tolerance of others.
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It's an interesting concept
I wonder though how effective they would be in practice when it comes to dealing with caste issues...which is less of a problem in Western society
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Well It also depend Whether your faith school is of minority religion or majority Religion.Minorities don't need to know about majority Religion because friends, TV ,media ,Govt give them enough information about majority Religion.On the Other hand majority hardly know about Minority Religion,their festivals.If you people talk to non sikh persons that studied
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in Sikh schools,majority of them have respect and appreciation for sikhism.ON the other hand a very very large part of India has no knowledge of Sikhs For most of them we are just an extended branch of hardcore Punjabi's
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Even in Punjab religious studies in non-existent in 100% of so called Sikh schools . The only notable exception is the schools being run by Akal Acadamy , Baru Sahib . In many of these SIKH schools Punjabi language is non-existent , Hindi is the medium of conversation . This is the situation in Punjab , no wonder 99% of Sikhs in Punjab have no knowledge of the existence of a code of conduct called SIKH REHAT MARYADA . If religious studies are to be given then it is Punjab of all the areas first of all where in the garb of secularism Brahminism is rampant all over .
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