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AN INVITATION TO SIKHS AND HINDUS TO EMBRACE THE TRUTH

RALLY FOR ISLAM (IX) IN TRAFALGAR SQUARE - SUNDAY JULY 25TH – 1PM – 6PM – ALL WELCOME…

Hundreds of Muslims from across the UK are set to converge in London’s Trafalgar Square on the 25th of July for the Annual Rally for Islam. This year will be the 9th anniversary of the rally and promises to be the best yet. The British public will once again witness many non-Muslims: previously Jews, Christians, Hindus & Sikhs (idol worshippers), Atheists, Socialists etc giving up their false beliefs and ideologies in order to embrace the divine way of life which Islam offers to them openly and publicly. Debates and Discussions on the inimitability of the Qur’an and the finality of the Message (of Islam) from God through the Messenger Muhammad (saw) will be held, with an invitation for all present to either refute Islam or accept its superiority. The speakers will also set out to present Islam as the only real future for Britain and indeed the World in terms of maintaining Honesty, Home-land Security, Morality, Mental well being, Family protection, continued scientific and material progress, psychological health as well as providing a comprehensive code for humanity to live their life by.

The Square will also host a number of Marquees presenting various aspects of Islam such as its unique economic system able to solve the problems of inflation, the hoarding of wealth and the fair distribution of resources - Islam’s unique social system which eradicates the exploitation of the sexes and eliminates promiscuity, pornography and deviancy and Islam’s ruling system based upon the concept of sovereignty for God alone, where man is not a dictator (like Bush or Blair) but rather God’s trustee on Earth managing mankind’s affairs according to God’s infallible law...etc...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/257-wake-up-call-to-sikhs.html

Here is a message to all the Sikhs and Hindus; put your pride to one side and accept the Truth. Yes, Islam, the religion that you detest the most is really the only religion that will help you when you leave this life.

To the Hindu’s; forget the caste system and all the fuss about reincarnation and accept the fact that everybody is equal in the eyes of God and all will be accounted on the Day of Judgement. As for the Sikhs, acknowledge, that as a man-made system your belief is really just a hotpot of different religions and opinions “jumbled together”.

The fierce disagreements between Muslims and Hindu’s have been going since the advent of Islam.

Historically, the effect of Islam in the Indian sub-continent region was instant. Its emphasis on One God corrected many of the social issues and “mystical” beliefs associated with Hinduism at the time. The caste system was seen in its true nature; a racist structure geared to preserve the rich over the poor. Islam offered those at the bottom of the organization a way of being equal and simultaneously having a belief system that fitted naturally with the human self.

The Hindu tradition of worshipping idols was (and still is) seen as a major act of ignorance, as creation can never worship creation, particularly when there is a Creator who has designed and established everything from apples to zebras. Also, the heavy emphasis on superstition places the individual under much stress in his daily life. Islam in comparison has no place for false notions as everything is under the control of Almighty God therefore dismissing any talk of good or bad luck.

As mentioned, Islam corrected the numerous inadequacies Hinduism imposed on society; thus impressing on intellectuals such as Guru Nanak (the founder of Sikhism) that the religion of Muhammad (saw) was in fact the truth. However, Nanak could not accept Islam in its entirety so chose just the key features that favoured him and the people.

However, because Sikhism is man-made it has many weaknesses, all Sikhs must ponder the following: Firstly, the religion lacks depth and is easily brainwashed by more dominant systems. Hinduism still has a great influence on the Sikhs as the caste system highlight – the idea that everyone is equal in the eyes of God is rarely practised by the Sikhs, as inter-caste marriage is still a taboo subject. Secondly, Nanak made no claims to divinity or to kinship with God and did not want to be worshipped as a kind of prophet (K.Singh, 1953). But, today many Sikhs do this by hanging a picture of Nanak and directing their prayers towards it. Thirdly, unlike Islam where the doctrine has stood firm for over 1400 years, Sikhism has evolved; taking in new directions with every new Guru. Key elements of the religion have been dramatically altered such as the treatment of the dead; in Nanak’s time they were buried whereas today they are cremated. Surely, these facts that are just a scratch on the surface emphasise the lack of Divinity found in this belief.

Islam offers the individual and society peace, happiness and security as everybody acknowledges his and her Creator, Allah (swt). All the problems that man faces are not sorted out via various mystical ritual acts but through having Trust in Allah (swt). Islam is the religion for the whole of Mankind, whether somebody comes from Africa, Asia or Europe. Furthermore, the love of money, which is so rife in both Hinduism and Sikhism, forcing some people to be treated or considered insignificant because they do not have the latest BMW or Mercedes, is considered unimportant in Islam. The good deeds of an individual in this life and worthwhile actions that are not motivated by economic reasons will help the Believer to attain blissful happiness in Paradise.

The Seal of Messengers, Prophet Mohammad (saw) said that at the lowest level of Paradise each person will have up to 10,000 servants! Another saying of the Holy Prophet (saw) was in relation to the love of this life to the Hereafter. He said (saw) the material life of this world is like a drop of water whereas all the delights in the next life are equivalent to the Ocean.

So, the message to any Sikh and Hindu is do your research and ask yourself "are you Sikh or Hindu because you really want to be or is it because your parents are". Remember, on the Day of Judgment, no religion will be accepted from Allah except Islam. Come to Trafalgar Square on the 25th July 2004 and give up your false beliefs and accept the perfect and embrace Deen of Al-Islam.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=257

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Response to Muslim Propaganda from Sikh Scholar Gurmukh Singh.

This is a most regrettable, irresponsible, provocative
and bigoted nonsense from Al-Muhajiroun, UK.

Ludicrous statements like the following do much damage
to Islam.

> The Seal of Messengers, Prophet Mohammad (saw)
> said that at the lowest level of Paradise each
> person will have up to 10,000 servants!

The author's challenge is:

> So, the message to any Sikh and Hindu is do your
> research and ask yourself "are you Sikh or Hindu
> because you really want to be or is it because
> your parents are". Remember, on the Day of
> Judgment, no religion will be accepted from
> Allah except Islam. Come to Trafalgar Square on
> the 25th July 2004 and give up your false beliefs
> and accept the perfect and embrace Deen of
> Al-Islam.

Let us do some research into this "Deen of Al-Islam"

The research says:
PLEASE DO GIVE YOUR REAL SCHOLARS AT LEAST A FIGHTING
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ALLEGORY! NOW READ ON:

Let us start "In the Name of the Allah, the Merciful,
the Compassionate" :

Is this the religion being compared with Sikhism?

(GGS= Guru Granth Sahib HQ = Holy Quran SM=Sahih
Muslim by Abdul Hamid Sadiqi Lahore SB= Sahih Bukhari
Sharif Ishait-al-Islam Delhi)

Is this "Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate"??
Slavery is permitted in Islam (HQ 4:3). Bilal was
Prophet Muhammad's slave and the Prophet's cousin
Zubair (son of Abu Bakar) had 1000 slaves. A Muslim,
who emancipates a Muslim slave, Allah saves every limb
of his from fire for every limb of the slave, even his
private parts for him" (SM 3604 SB 693V.3 B.46)).
Islam does not condemn slavery.

Slavery is not condoned in Sikhism in any form
whatsoever. Indeed the Guru proclaimed in no uncertain
terms:
"The Gracious Lord has now decreed, "None shall
oppress or inflict pain on another. All shall abide in
peace as the regime shall be compassionate."
(GGS p.74)

Islamic treatment of women and view about sex etc: A
woman's testimony (Shahadah) has half the weight of a
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=257
man's (HQ 2: 282, 4:177). When inheritance is to be
shared "A male is equal to the portion of two
females."(SM 3933 HQ4: 177) A man can divorce his wife
by simply saying "Talaaq, talaaq, talaaq" three times
(HQ 2:229-230,SM 3491-93).

Adultery and pornication are punishable in Islam but
not if committed with women captured in war (SM 3234).
A Muslim can also beat his wife (SM, Trimidhi and HQ
4:34). If a slave girl commits adultery she should be
lashed. If she does it thrice then she should be sold
even for a hair rope.(SB 362,435,731 V.3 B.46) Talaaq
literally means, "undoing the knot". A man cannot
marry the same woman twice until she has married
another man and divorced him (Ihya 2:230). "The
proportion of rights and powers between male and
female, as laid down by Islam, naturally demand that
out of the two parties only the former should be
entitled to pronounce divorce" (Maulana Moududi quoted
in CIS page 110)

"Islam allows the conversion of female slaves into
concubines with whom relations
are legitimate
without the necessity of marriage. Once they have been
allotted to their masters they become their property"
(Maulana Moududi quoted in CIS page 112 Also see HQ
4-3) (SM 3432-34)". The Prophet's wife Safia (wife of
Kinana) was a captive at the battle of Khaibar. So
were Rihana and Juwariya (SM 4292 Also see Sirat Rasul
Allah pages 493 and 517)

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save
those (captives) whom your right hand possesses. It is
a decree of Allah for you" (HQ 4:24)

"Force not your slave girls to *****dom that ye may
seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would
preserve their chastity. And if one forces them, then
Allah, after their compulsion, is All-forgiving,
All-compassionate " HQ 24:33.

"Islam allows the conversion of female slaves into
concubines with whom relations
are legitimate
without the necessity of marriage. Once they have been
allotted to their masters they become their property"
(Maulana Moududi quoted in CIS page 112 Also see HQ
4-3) (SM 3432-34)"

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save
those (captives) whom your right hand possesses. It is
a decree of Allah for you" (HQ 4:24)

Islam defines different rights and responsibilities of
men and women.

"Men are in charge of women because Allah hath made
the one to excel the other and because they spend
their property (for the support of women)"(HQ4: 34).

Polygamy is permissible and allows up to four women
(HQ 4:3). The Quran instructs "you will not be able to
deal equally between (your) wives however much ye wish
to do so but turn not altogether away (from one)
leaving her as in suspense." (HQ 4: 129). A woman is
entitled to a dowry (mehar) and a lawful maintenance
(nafqah) but the domination of a husband is paramount,
"Your women are like a tilth for you (to cultivate),
go unto your tilth as ye will"(HQ 2:223 SM 3363). "Had
it not been for Eve, women would never have acted
unfaithfully towards their husbands."(SM 3471)
However, "Thy women have rights similar to those (of
men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above
them"(HQ 2: 228). "As for those from whom ye fear
rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds
apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek
not a way against them."(HQ 4:34-35). "Serving a
husband is obligatory since her husband is named her
master in Allah's Book and she is a captive with him
as is shown in the Sunnah of Allah's
Messenger"(Adaab-uz-Zufaaf by Muhammad Nasir-ud-din
page 47). " As for those of your women who are guilty
of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them.
And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation),
then confine them to the houses until death take them
or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through the
new legislation)"(HQ 4:15) Accoring to Islam " Never
will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their
ruler" (SB 219 V.9 B.88). "No lady should travel on a
journey of two days except with her husband or a
Dhi-Mahram"(SB 215 V3 B31)

Islamic dress for women
There are no restrictions on what men wear. Burqa or
Hijab is a contraption used by the Muslim women to
keep their bodies covered except for the eyes (HQ
33:59, 24:31). Sharia requires women to dress up with
clothes meeting the following criteria
(Adaab-uz-Zufaaf page30).

1. The whole body must be covered except for the oval
of the face and the two hands.
2. The material of the cloth must not be decorative.
3. The material must be thick enough to be opaque.
4. The dress must be loose enough as not to make clear
the shape of the
body.
5. A woman must never wear perfume in public.
6. The dress must not resemble the dress worn by men.
7. The dress must not resemble that worn by
disbelieving women.
8. The dress must not be ostentatious.


Sikhism treats women as equal to men and forbids
adultery or beating of women in any situation. "Like
the companionship of a poisonous snake is the desire
of another's woman"(GGS P.403). Ill treatment of women
captured in war is strictly forbidden. This is what we
read about Sardar Sham Singh Attariwala, "It was
disorder, anarchy and confusion in Punjab, they moved
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=257
from Malwa to Majha. Just before settling at Attari
and the process of establishing their control they
came across a helpless Muhammadan bride of the nearby
Amir of Sarai Salamat Khan. The manner in which they
returned her to the Amir became a legend and people
still give example of their noble and moral character"
(Ranjit Singh's Khalsa Raj and Attariwala Sardars,'
National Book Depot Delhi 1944 Edition page 14.)

Sikhism preaches complementary roles of men and women
in all social spheres. However, women are not debarred
from any activities carried out by men; nor are they
restricted to any special dress. Indeed, although
there is a traditional Panjabi dress for women
(salwar, kameez and a light material head cloth), they
may dress exactly like men and go to battle if need
be. Some famous Sikh women have in fact led armies to
battle.

Islamic intolerance: "One who chooses to follow the
code revealed by God becomes a Muslim and one who
refuses to follow it becomes a *****."(The Religion of
Islam by Khurshid Ahmed page 4). "Believers are God's
party but un-believers are Devil's party"(HQ4: 76).
"Allah (Himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers" (HQ
2:15, 90,98). "Accursed, they will be seized wherever
found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter (HQ 33:61).
The tribes of Uraina and Ukl had their hands and legs
cut off, their eyes gouged out and no water was given
to them. They died a slow and painful death. (SB 577)

Sikhism: The nearest word to ***** in Sikhism is
sakat. In Gurbani it is used for those who do not
believe in the existence of God. Unlike Islam, Sikhism
does not order killing of such persons but does advise
to avoid their company. "Shun the company of sakat,
keep him at an arm's length"(GGS p. 1371). Whatever
the extent of enmity, Sikhism does not sanction cruel
treatment. Guru Gobind Singh blessed Bhai Kanhaya when
the latter offered water and assistance to the fallen
enemy in the battlefield. The Guru also instructed him
to treat the wounds of the enemies.

"The True Guru has no anger or vengeance and preaches
the same. He looks upon son and enemy alike. He helps
in removing faults and mistakes and thus purifies the
human body"(GGS 960)


Superstition:

Prophet Muhammad preferred always to travel only on a
Thursday, which is considered auspicious. (SB 199
V.4.B.52) "The year is of twelve months out of which
four months (Dhul Qa'da, Dhul Hijja, Muharrum and
Rajab) are sacred."(SB 419 V4 B54)

In Sikhism no day or month is considered more
auspicious than the others are.
"The same moon rises, the same stars, the same sun
shines in the sky, the earth remains the same and the
same wind blows. How can it be then that some times
are sacred and the others not?" (GGS P.902)


Sacrifice or cruelty to animals? :

All adult Muslims are supposed to sacrifice an animal
on Id-al-Adha (SM 4818-4835) because "There is a
reward annexed to every hair of the animal sacrifice"
(Trimidhi V.1-1392). "On the day of judgement the
horns, hair and hoofs of the sacrificed animal fall in
the pan of pious deeds and thus cancel out the
misdeeds of the devotees"(Mishkwat –al- Masabih Book 4
.Chapter 49-2)

According to Sikhism animal sacrifice has no spiritual
merit and is strictly forbidden.

"The use of force is tyranny even if you call it
halal. When your account is called for in the court of
the Lord, what will your predicament be then?"
(GGS Page 1374)

Sikhism believes in sacrifice for a noble cause or for
the good of humanity when necessary. Guru Gobind
Singh, at Chamkaur, dressed and sent his own two sons
to the battle in a spirit of sacrifice for the right
cause.

Service with humility (sewa), sharing one's food and
earnings with the needy, treading the righteous path
regardless of cost, and inner detachment while living
a full life, is the Guru's way of sacrifice. Sikhism
preaches that a real sacrifice is to lay down one's
own life for a noble cause.

Religious war: Islamic view:
Jihad is defined by H.G. Koenigsberger as "Spreading
Islam by war."
"The various means employed by an Islamic state to
spread Islam are called jihad, if they involve strife
and struggle. The more popular form of jihad is holy
war"(CIS p.54)

"Fight against such of those who have been given the
Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,
and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His
Messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until
they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." (HQ
9:29)

Regarding the spoils of war the Holy Quran says, "Now
enjoy ye what you have won, as lawful and good" (HQ
8:69,48:15). "If a town disobeys Allah and the
Messenger one fifth of the booty seized therefrom is
for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you"
said Muhammad (SM 4346)

Sikhism is opposed to spreading religion through war.
The nearest concept to Jihad is dharam yudh (fight for
justice or the righteous cause). Use of force for
propagating religion or for changing another's
ideology or point of view runs contrary to Sikh belief
and practice. The divinely inspired compositions of
Muslim and Hindu saints have been included in Sri Guru
Granth Sahib and given the same status as the hymns of
the Sikh Gurus.

Sikhism, therefore, demonstrably preaches that no
single ideology has the monopoly of access to God or
the Ultimate Truth. The Sikh Guru went further when
Guru Tegh Bahadhur (Nanak IX) gave his life to uphold
another's right of worship in his own way. Sikh Gurus
were fully aware of the need for the use of arms for
defending freedom of religious ideology and the
geo-political implications which were bound to flow
from it. The concept of Khalsa Raj and the just
theo-political aspirations of the Sikhs have brought
(and continue to bring) the Sikh nation into armed
conflict with authoritarian regimes. In certain
circumstances, when all other means have failed,
resort to arms is considered legitimate. Guru Tegh
Bahadur's injunction is:
"Frighten none and accept fear from no-one." (GGS p.
1427)

Guru Nanak's followers could not shirk their
responsibility towards other fellow beings nor could
they accept fear from anyone. Guru Nanak spoke out
against social, political and administrative injustice
and he expected his followers to do the same. The Sikh
Gurus and the bhagats (saints), whose compositions are
recorded in the Holy Granth, were well aware of the
need for resorting to arms for defending human rights
and the freedom of religious ideologies.

"The true warrior is one who fights in defence of the
downtrodden."
(GGS p. 1105)

"When all attempts to obtain justice fail, it is
legitimate to move the hand to the hilt of the sword."
(Guru Gobind Singh's Zafarnama to Moghul Emperor
Aurangzeb).

Wah Bai Wah Gurmkuh Singh Ji - Swaad Aa Gaya ...


Akal Sahai

BabbarSher

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I am amazed to gather the level of their spirituality of such people, who take joy in superiority of Religions. This is one of most crapiest and idotic passage i ever read.
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10000 servents!! 80 virgins!! Are we living in Stone Age ? It may have been a very easy and effective way of luring people some 1500 years ago along with ruthless forced submission to tyrrant Islamic terrorism but even today if people espacially Sikhs, would believe such piece of bull... then they better embrace Islam casue they would be a utter burden on Sikhism. Just my first reaction. apologies for rudeness. can't help it. Gr8 reply by Gurmukh Singh Ji.
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Ill -logic is sometimes difficult to be handled by logic.. just my thought.
But certainly, appropriate response with a cool head is always needed.
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I guess, sikhs need to be calm in case of such type of calls. Or otherwise, what are we scared of? Are we not sure of our own faith, or principles?
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This is a great reply by Gurmukh Singhji, a very critical and methodical,but one thing thai i always ask is are we as human beings evolving? Why irrespective of religions we all are so ethnocentric?
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Re: Wake Up Call to Sikhs !!!

Dear friends a short while ago around 20:00 on the 1st of Jan UK time, I asked what now appears to me a stupid question... “Islam a threat or benefit to Britain”





I should have read this article first! My apologies to all enlightened ones around the world that such a diatribe of complete utter facile garbage should emanate from a country like Britain.

The only thing I would say to this poor lost soul is. “If these insane ramblings are a true expression of the religion you have become enslaved to then God help us all”!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=257

Your belief of Islam as the cornerstone of some utopia is hollow, Muslims in their tens of thousands clamour to come to the West in their search for freedom and wealth.

All that Islam will do is drag this and any country it grows in back to the Middle ages, one only has to look at the Islamic societies around the world to dispel the myth that our young intolerant friend is trying to pass as truth, most are corrupt and oppressed and this is the reason so many want the freedoms of liberal countries. As he said they haven’t changed for 1400 years, it is sad and a bit worrying that in the 21st century we still have people so willing to hand their reasoning powers over to a medieval religion of total mind control.
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