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Our gurus have given equal status to women in the society then why women r not allowed to do kirtan in Dabar Sahib, Amritsar.
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re: Status of Women

Sometimes culture trumps religion and spirit ssgg ji. Good question. Also, I am led to believe from various things I have read that seva in Darshan Sahib is very political. A matter of who knows who and connections. So there may also be men who are excluded but who may be very sincere. Hope I am wrong.
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GURFATEH,
Our gurus have given equal status to women in the society then why women r not allowed to do kirtan in Dabar Sahib, Amritsar.
SSGG,

Guru Fateh.

Because we men remain chauvinistic **** who do not care about our Gurus nor about their teachings, BUT we have memorised the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

In other words, parrots with big pugs and long beards not a Sikh make.


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It could be that Muslim women are seen more inferior than Sikh women. But I disagree in some ways. Not in all ways though.
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Equal rights for women in Sikhism? Please provide scriptural evidence. I am curious.
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Equal rights for women in Sikhism? Please provide scriptural evidence. I am curious.
Why should we provide scriptural evidence.Panth itself can take take timely decisions
BTw look who is talking about equal rights for women the person who follows religion That is considered as most oppressive religion for women on earth
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Equal rights for women in Sikhism? Please provide scriptural evidence. I am curious.
You are not good at answering questions if asked, that I have learned yesterday, yesterday, you even couldn’t echo for the harmony of the world with many faiths.
Yesterday you kept blaming Raj Khalsa for the same thing you were doing. As a scholar you really disappointed me.
After having said that, I am going to give you verses from Sri Guru Granth Sahib that advocates men and women having the same light of the Creator, no difference, no inferiority or superiority exists if there is the same light.
Now do me a favor, give me a verse from Holy Quran if it says so in context of women. Thanks

ਧਰਣਿ ਗਗਨ ਨਹ ਦੇਖਉ ਦੋਇ
Ḏẖaraṇ gagan nah ḏekẖ▫a▫u ḏo▫e.
In the earth and in the sky, I do not see any second.

ਨਾਰੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਸਬਾਈ ਲੋਇ
Nārī purakẖ sabā▫ī lo▫e. ||3||
Among all the women and the men, His Light is shining. ||3||

ਪੰਨਾ 983, ਸਤਰ 3ਨਾਰੀਪੁਰਖੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਭ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਭੁ ਏਕੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ
Nārī purak purak sab nārī sab eko purak murāre.
Women and men, all the men and women, all came from the One Primal Lord God.

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Why should we provide scriptural evidence.Panth itself can take take timely decisions
BTw look who is talking about equal rights for women the person who follows religion That is considered as most oppressive religion for women on earth
I asked a simple question of jurisprudence. The first poster said the Gurus gave equal rights. I have no problem with that. I just want to see scriptural evidence of jurisprudential nature from the Gurus.
As for the rest of your post I would appreciate the comment if it didn't come from a person who belongs to the community that has the worst gender imbalance in teh world and that is known for commiting a daily holocaust on baby girls and female foetuses.And if you wish to discuss fiqh regarding the rights of women why not start a discussion with real points instead of just relying on fox news...
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ਧਰਣਿ ਗਗਨ ਨਹ ਦੇਖਉ ਦੋਇ
Ḏẖaraṇ gagan nah ḏekẖ▫a▫u ḏo▫e.
In the earth and in the sky, I do not see any second.

ਨਾਰੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਸਬਾਈ ਲੋਇ
Nārī purakẖ sabā▫ī lo▫e. ||3||
Among all the women and the men, His Light is shining. ||3||

ਪੰਨਾ 983, ਸਤਰ 3ਨਾਰੀਪੁਰਖੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਭ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਭੁ ਏਕੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ
Nārī purak purak sab nārī sab eko purak murāre.
Women and men, all the men and women, all came from the One Primal Lord God.

That is a nice passage agreed. But this is not a jurisprudential text. It just states that men and women were created by God. It does not refer to their righst and duties. My question wasn't about the ontological status of men and women as creations which is exactly what the Quran states. My question is jurisprudential not theological as it deals with rights. If someone says that xyz are given rights then we are dealing with jurisprudence. It's one thing to state the common origin of men and women, yet another to define their rights.I hope I made myself understood.
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