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| | | | | Re: Sikhs in Temples Quote:
Originally Posted by Singh Your also entitled to your "i thinks," thanks for your opinion.
Have a great day bowing to sinister, I mean idol. | I think even Guru ji's are entitled to their opinion.
Have a great day! May Akal shed some light on your soul.
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| | | | | Re: Sikhs in Temples Quote:
Originally Posted by BhagatSingh I think even Guru ji's are entitled to their opinion.
Have a great day! May Akal shed some light on your soul.  | Guru ji always keeps me in Chardikala, but thanks for the concern | 
08-Dec-2008, 12:43 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhs in Temples ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ सलोकु ॥ Salok. Shalok: ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮਾਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਿਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰਾ ॥ गुरदेव माता गुरदेव पिता गुरदेव सुआमी परमेसुरा ॥ Gurḏev māṯā gurḏev piṯā gurḏev su▫āmī parmesurā. The Divine Guru is our mother, the Divine Guru is our father; the Divine Guru is our Lord and Master, the Transcendent Lord. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਖਾ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਭੰਜਨੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਬੰਧਿਪ ਸਹੋਦਰਾ ॥ गुरदेव सखा अगिआन भंजनु गुरदेव बंधिप सहोदरा ॥ Gurḏev sakẖā agi▫ān bẖanjan gurḏev banḏẖip sahoḏarā. The Divine Guru is my companion, the Destroyer of ignorance; the Divine Guru is my relative and brother. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਦਾਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਪਦੇਸੈ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਨਿਰੋਧਰਾ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23566 गुरदेव दाता हरि नामु उपदेसै गुरदेव मंतु निरोधरा ॥ Gurḏev ḏāṯā har nām upḏesai gurḏev manṯ niroḏẖarā. The Divine Guru is the Giver, the Teacher of the Lord's Name. The Divine Guru is the Mantra which never fails. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਾਂਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਬੁਧਿ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਾਰਸ ਪਰਸ ਪਰਾ ॥ गुरदेव सांति सति बुधि मूरति गुरदेव पारस परस परा ॥ Gurḏev sāʼnṯ saṯ buḏẖ mūraṯ gurḏev pāras paras parā. The Divine Guru is the image of peace, truth and wisdom. The Divine Guru is the Philosopher's Stone - touching it, one is transformed. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰੋਵਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਜਨੁ ਅਪਰੰਪਰਾ ॥ गुरदेव तीरथु अम्रित सरोवरु गुर गिआन मजनु अपर्मपरा ॥ Gurḏev ṯirath amriṯ sarovar gur gi▫ān majan apramparā. The Divine Guru is the sacred shrine of pilgrimage, and the pool of divine nectar; bathing in the Guru's wisdom, one experiences the Infinite. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭਿ ਪਾਪ ਹਰਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਤਿਤ ਪਵਿਤ ਕਰਾ ॥ गुरदेव करता सभि पाप हरता गुरदेव पतित पवित करा ॥ Gurḏev karṯā sabẖ pāp harṯā gurḏev paṯiṯ paviṯ karā. The Divine Guru is the Creator, and the Destroyer of all sins; the Divine Guru is the Purifier of sinners. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਆਦਿ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਉਧਰਾ ॥ गुरदेव आदि जुगादि जुगु जुगु गुरदेव मंतु हरि जपि उधरा ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23566 Gurḏev āḏ jugāḏ jug jug gurḏev manṯ har jap uḏẖrā. The Divine Guru existed in the very beginning, throughout the ages, in each and every age. The Divine Guru is the Mantra of the Lord's Name; chanting it, one is saved. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੇਲਿ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਹਮ ਮੂੜ ਪਾਪੀ ਜਿਤੁ ਲਗਿ ਤਰਾ ॥ गुरदेव संगति प्रभ मेलि करि किरपा हम मूड़ पापी जितु लगि तरा ॥ Gurḏev sangaṯ parabẖ mel kar kirpā ham mūṛ pāpī jiṯ lag ṯarā. O God, please be merciful to me, that I may be with the Divine Guru; I am a foolish sinner, but holding onto Him, I will be carried across. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਰਾ ॥੧॥ गुरदेव सतिगुरु पारब्रहमु परमेसरु गुरदेव नानक हरि नमसकरा ॥१॥ Gurḏev saṯgur pārbarahm parmesar gurḏev Nānak har namaskarā. ||1|| The Divine Guru is the True Guru, the Supreme Lord God, the Transcendent Lord; Nanak bows in humble reverence to the Lord, the Divine Guru. ||1|| ਏਹੁ ਸਲੋਕੁ ਆਦਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਪੜਣਾ ॥ एहु सलोकु आदि अंति पड़णा ॥ Ėhu salok āḏ anṯ paṛ▫ṇā. Read this Shalok at the beginning, and at the end. || | | The following member appreciates Astroboy Ji for the above message. | | 
08-Dec-2008, 13:30 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhs in Temples Prayer, the daily recitation of mool mantra and bani serves to instil in mankind his purpose and meaning of life and living. It is also a reminder to Parmatma and Waheguru, the giver and sustainer of this life force to guide and lead us from the prevailing wickedness, seemingly insurmountable at times. It is a contract between the pure and upright saintly souls who have entrusted and vested their life path to him, and the moral duty of each being to honour their divine parent and uphold Waheguru’s statutes and doctrines. This matter of bowing, of prostrating oneself to a deity or Guru is a non issue. ‘’What care I if you bow your head, if you bow not in your heart’’. I think it was spoken by Guru Nanak means for what purpose is a person’s repetitive chanting is he has not fidelity and steadfastness to the Waheguru. Some boast loudly of their good fortune and luck, and voice loudly their prayers, scoff at any who may question them, this is wrong, these scoffers are a hellish breed. The concept of obescience, of submission, of bowing is I feel not fully understood, and a tad misinterpreted. One is able to bow in faith to the integrity of the Bani, or one bows mind and heart because one understands its living word, its meaning, comprehends the truths and guidance in each pearl. The heart and mind incline naturally towards such moral and spiritual sustenance. Any matter of bowing does not arise. It is a concern only for the souls who lack faith or lack understanding, one or the either. Without these two essential mindsets persons simply pay lip service to something they neither understand nor hold faith of, probably because it conflicts with the knowledge thrown at them from modernists, atheists and the uncultured vultures of peace and order. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23566 These types who lack faith or understanding of the fundamental and deep truth and wisdom of scriptures adhere to the thinking that one should sing praises of a God one neither understands of loves, because if he exists you gain heaven, and if he doesn’t you gain the prestige of being affiliated with the saintly, a veritable Eden in itself. This thinking is baseless and for the aforementioned nouveau educated types who on studying the ants and the grains of sand, cannot require their brains to contemplate matters spiritual and cosmological, a necessity if one seek to attain the ultimate objective of swarg and nirvana that is release from the mortal being and entry into the Supernal Universal Spirit that is Waheguru. | 
08-Dec-2008, 21:39 PM
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08-Dec-2008, 22:31 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhs in Temples NamJap ji Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23566
Well deserved. Some background from forum member Manbir ji
Gurpreet Kaur is the main organizer and conductor for this Group. She manages the music and compositions and training for the other three members of Gurmat Gian Group. At present the singers are Gurpreet Kaur, Keerat Kaur Japjit Kaur and Jasleen Kaur | 
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| | | | | | | Re: Sikhs in Temples Sat shri akal, Quote:
Originally Posted by BhagatSingh I think even Guru ji's are entitled to their opinion.
Have a great day! May Akal shed some light on your soul.  | shameful ! disgraceful ! scandalous ! 
oh God a sikh talking about his Guru in such a manner  I'm truly in the kali age | 
09-Dec-2008, 01:39 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhs in Temples sainty ji
Forgive me if I am wrong about this -- But I don't think Bhagat ji was talking about Guruji ~~~ but about Guru ji meaning something, someone else, not Akaal. There is some goofing around again here on the thread. | 
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