When It Is Hot, Be That. When It Is Cold, Be That.

Narayanjot Kaur · #10 (**permalink**) 13-Nov-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jaspi

S.S.akal ji.

To reply to this quote is very miss directing and it all depends in what context The High Monk has to say these words which also send message like eye to eye actions.
In Sikhism is Nimrata and humbleness is reaction taught to us and acceptance of the situation.But if your existence is being threatened you have all the right to defends yourself if the cool addressing is completely ignored by the aggressor.

Jaspi

The same is true in many branches of Buddhism. In particular it is important to reject both praise and criticism of one's beliefs. And instead one should only respond to what is true and what is false in the words of others. This is on the plane of dialog. But when one is threatened physically, then even monks give serious thought to how they will react. I will post more about this if you are interested. What is forbidden is obsessive hatred and hostility, mindless violence, and acts of aggression that arise because we cling to beliefs that separate and divide in order to serve the false ego.

Think of honor killings and violence caused by sexual jealousy, political oppression, wars rising from greed or religious separatism, and things like that. Our Gurus had no time for that. Neither do the Buddhist Masters.

haumY krY inhkrmI n hovY: Houmai karai nihakaramee na hovai: Those who act in ego do not go beyond Karma (Ang 128).

Narayanjot Kaur · #11 (**permalink**) 13-Nov-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pk70

Monk doesn't talk about any attack. Humbleness doesn't stop you to be self defensive in case life is in danger.

jaspi ji

I am reading back over this thread and what pk70 says above caught my mind the second time around. You know of the martial arts: Kung Fu, judo, jujitzu, Tai Chi Tuan, and others. These were developed by monks as a form of self defense but more importantly as a form of spiritual practice in which "action in inaction" "patience with effort" and "one-pointed attention" were developed. Then they taught the warriors both the fighting strategies and the spiritual discipline. The monks understand/understood what you are saying.

Narayanjot Kaur · #12 (**permalink**) 13-Nov-2008, 11:32 AM

On Ang 539 Guru Ram Das speaks of "one pointed attention." Complete absorption and surrender in the presence of the Satguru within.

ਗੁਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਿੰਦੁੜੀਏ ਬਿਖੁ ਭਉਜਲੁ ਤਾਰਣਹਾਰੋ ਰਾਮ ॥
gur sathigur naam dhrirraaeiaa maeree jindhurreeeae bikh bhoujal thaaranehaaro raam ||
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/23472-when-it-is-hot-when-cold.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23472
The Guru, the True Guru, implanted the Name within me, O my soul, and He has carried me across the terrifying world-ocean of poison.

ਜਿਨ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਿੰਦੁੜੀਏ ਤਿਨ ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਜੈਕਾਰੋ ਰਾਮ ॥
jin eik man har dhhiaaeiaa maeree jindhurreeeae thin santh janaa jaikaaro raam ||
Those who have meditated one-pointedly on the Lord, O my soul - I proclaim the Victory of those saintly beings.

The saintly being is victorious who meditates with one mind, with undivided attention.

Narayanjot Kaur · #13 (**permalink**) 13-Nov-2008, 11:53 AM

Action in Inaction
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23472

Guru Arjan Dev speaks of karam karath hovai nihakaram. This is a puzzle, a paradox, not unlike the concept of "action in inaction." Nihakaram is typically translated as the "reward of action." An alternate translation for karam karath hovai nihakaram is, "He who beholds inaction in action." In other words, we do what we must do (we perform our karam). And, by going beyond ego, without trying to expect any results of our action (nihakaram), we are able to go beyond our karma. This is about the paradox of making an effort while being in a state of ultimate surrender to the Akaal Purakh(u) who is the "doer of everthing." In Buddhism there is a parallel idea having to do with the effort (karam) and the acceptance of the reality that we can give up control and we can be still expecting nothing (nihakaram), which is needed to sustain spiritual practice.

ਬੈਸਨੋ ਸੋ ਜਿਸੁ ਊਪਰਿ ਸੁਪ੍ਰਸੰਨ ॥
baisano so jis oopar suprasann ||
The true Vaishnaav, the devotee of Vishnu, is the one with whom God is thoroughly pleased.

ਬਿਸਨ ਕੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਭਿੰਨ ॥
bisan kee maaeiaa thae hoe bhinn ||
He dwells apart from Maya.

ਕਰਮ ਕਰਤ ਹੋਵੈ ਨਿਹਕਰਮ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23472
karam karath hovai nihakaram ||
Performing good deeds, he does not seek rewards.
(obviously I don't agree with the translation of this line)

ਤਿਸੁ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਕਾ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਧਰਮ ॥
this baisano kaa niramal dhharam ||
Spotlessly pure is the religion of such a Vaishnaav;