The Ocean of Love

Pk 70. I would like to discuss on how to develop myself with you, as you mentioned you have or you know of some form of further knowledge on this and I want to further elevate myself as you put it. Waiting for a civil discussion??? I am a sikh and as such I am willing to learn. Please teach me...
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PARMA NAGRA

I have not made any personal attacks or sect bashing. I think which ever moderator decided to delete my post could they at least do me the kindness of telling me were I was wrong. In my message all i did was request further dialouge on the discussion I was making. Maybe to say even kids can argue seems like bashing to you. Only I was told in a previous message by a fellow member that my comments where laughable. This seemed personal to me. I just questioned the comment they made. As there expressions or dialouge was in a arguable format rather than a discussion. Just forwarded a thought to remind that particular member not to argue but to discuss... Sorry if my comments have caused any one offence. I am nothing but a humble man, and I am trying to posses the qualities to improve on all levels. To become the best i can be. If someone else is telling me they know the qualities i need to posses then I would like to know what they know and how they came to the conclusions they have as I find nothing shameful in learning I am a SIKH.
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If you want to carry on then please follow this form of code not personal attacks, if all you can do is attack a person then there is not much you have developed into as kids can do that. Your response so far has been ok. Only Please remain civil in responses. Thanks

Parma Ji, your post has been discussed by Leaders and found to contravene the above mentioned Forum Rules.. If any person in his statements have hurt you, the right thing to do is bring it to the attention of any Leaders who will know how to take appropriate action according to Forum Rules. To engage one's self in such negative statements is like fanning the fire for new arguments.
No offence against you.

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Should I call you a guru? Or are you a Sikh still learning until the moment you die. Seems depressing why are you depressed by my statement? I am not afraid of death maybe you feel you need to explore life more, carry on until you find your peace of mind.

Introspection: Try to find your own fault and purify your mind.
Unity in Diversity: Many members on SPN, come from various religious and cultural backgrounds and may have variable conflicting opinions. Religion and Philosophy are general but unique for each person's understanding and progress. If you disagree, simply accept the difference and ask for information you may not know. Un-necessary bragging, trash talk, childish arguements only take us away from the topic in hand. Please avoid them at any cost.

I only asked someone to clarify there comments. No problem if you make a statement then you should back it up. Whats is the point in Worthless talking whats the point. If to ask someone to clarify there comments is against forum rules then this forum is not worth my time. Religion you have now understood what it means a group of people you either fit in with or you dont. Nothing else. I ve been told to purify my mind tell me how. Who can teach that? Who can learn that? Who has that? Who is that? Only god can teach me. I learn everyday from waheguru. I just hope ones own comments can be relayed as pure. I have faults. I have many faults. Only god is perfect to me. Nothing else. We can learn to be pure nothing else. So I will say again as I do have faults if someone is offended by any of my comments then I am sorry. I wont bother anymore with posting. Waste of Thought. Explaination ends were one is not willing to understand. Hope you all find peace of mind in your journeys of life. Even if it is momentary for me or a life long process I have seen peace. I wish you all well most of all try and enjoy life it is a hard process. I thank you for allowing me to air my thoughts at times in the past. Subb sukhi Raho! Jis jevan uss waherguru = (god, allah, ram, nature) ko parveh. Sutha sukhi raho! No need to reply as i will no longer post. Enjoy life, its a game dont hate the player ha ha ha!

Parma jio
As you asked me through a private message I replied and expressed my inability to give comments in detail, and requested you too wait for a couple days but it sounds, you cannot wait. Be cool as you have found peace, that is the assets I want you to hold on to; comments given taken really should not hit that peace. Well, as you really got frustrated because of not getting reply, here are my comments in short as per my limitations . MOD is doing its job, no need to be disappointed with them, I declared openly to them that where ever they smell something hurtful from my comments, just delete it because I believe by filtering a good substance can be kept clean.
Coming back to your all original comments and my response, here are they
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I guess you are never fully developed into being who you are until the moment you die.
Very depressing statement, often quoted by those scholars who have little or no knowledge of spiritual experience. Certainly the ones with elevated spiritual experience will laugh at it. Learning is it self nothing if there is no progression and goal is not obtained. In a race all participants run but all do not win, does it mean, all others should give up thinking" we all are not going to win, lets give up hopes" No offense, this is the way I feel after reading your nice statements.
TO PK70, Why would anyone laugh at my statement. My question to you is, So when are you fully developed then? Are you fully developed? Should I call you a guru?
Take a deep breath Parma ji, I haven’t laughed at your statement. I mentioned elevated experience, why did you skip that, I wonder.
Elevated souls experience spiritual state of mind and in their dictionary there is no place for such statement. How would I know? Read Guru Nanak, Kabir Ji, Nam Dev and others who not only found Him within but showed to others as well.
When one determines to do progression as they teach, question of ‘fully developed” doesn’t exist due to spiritual path one treads on, only thing remains on mind is to battle the primal forces with Guru Teachings. For psychologists teaching civility, it is of course a fascinating term. What the definition is of fully developed as per your view any way? For whom does one develop fully? Is it for a civil society or for one self? What are measures you have set up for fully developed? To me it sounded a lame term filled with a lot of imagination. Then saying dieing without fully developed, also doesn’t say any thing positive. If one doesn’t develop fully as per your measure then what is the need of it any way.
Did I ever boast about myself, if you have noted down it, kindly share with me because that is not my progression (your fully developed), that boasting will show quite good display of my limitations?
Or are you a Sikh still learning until the moment you die.
I do not assume as you do here. A Sikh doesn’t need to die while learning; it depends if learning ever takes place, every time if a fall comes and the Sikh keeps saying I am learning that is still progression. However, if the Sikh’s who keep saying this for the rest of their lives till die, obviously are not progressing because eventually the falls should cease if learning takes place. Without practical words remain just means of decorations
Seems depressing why are you depressed by my statement?
You have stated that we die without fully developed, doesn't it itself sound depressing?If one from the start says we die without fully developed, then where is the hope you give to others who want to develop fully before death, remember” jinni Naam dhiaaeea gae mushkit ghaal”( Japji) do you think it is a lie? Here I do not see any indication that contemplating on Naam will not help you because you will die without fully developed

I am not afraid of death maybe you feel you need to explore life more, carry on until you find your peace of mind.
Sir did I question you personally? Whatever and whoever you are, I respect you for being what you are because it is none of my business to judge others even if I know them. My comments were on hopelessness I smelled from your statement not at you at all. So try to stick to reason
I have explored my life and I have seen the light to be true and in that I have found peace. Where does your caravan take you?
Congratulations. Good for you, I am not that fortunate yet. In progression, there are no stops, so how can I name an imaginary stop?
If you are fully elevated then I will salute you. Good on you
I never claimed, if His Grace is bestowed upon ever, I would not claim then either
. Only if you are fully developed into what have you developed, please state, who are you or what are you?
Again, imagination builds walls before reality, without reality one is doomed to dip in illusions, I do not have those tastes. My limit was only to a statement that limits the hope of progression if one chooses to have.
This may seem all riddled at the moment but take your time to answer each of the statements and I will discuss my points deeper.
I have done as per my understanding.
P.s. A fully developed intellect will not argue thoughts but discuss ideas.
Thanks for enlightening me on this.
If you want to carry on then please follow this form of code not personal attacks, if all you can do is attack a person then there is not much you have developed into as kids can do that.
Well Sir, I haven’t claimed any thing any way. If my comments on your statement disturb you that much, I am sorry. May be I haven’t developed as you did, I am still O.K if you level me to kids level, we learn from them too, it is matter of time only. I wonder you are doing what you are advising me not to do. Hope you will realize that as per your claims.
Your response so far has been ok.
Thanks for your so kind words.
Only Please remain civil in responses. Thanks
Should I answer it or not, I wonder because you are so kind to teach me every thing
I am nothing but a humble man, and I am trying to posses the qualities to improve on all levels.
Saying I am humble doesn’t make any one humble, yes showing it through behavior it does for sure; tragedy of us is that we don’t let our a little ego hurt, we sacrifice all efforts we put in to over come ego and start defending it, no one loses but we ourselves. You take care of yourself

NOTE I cannot respond till tomorrow, I hope you can bear with me in case you comment on my comments.

Something everyone should also bear in mind about Paul Twitchell and ECKanKar:
The American intelligence agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, consulted with him on how to use his teachings to engage in what is known in military and esoteric studies circles as "Remote Viewing" whereby someone can have an "out of body experience" and see or view, events, people and places in areas other than where they are at the time. It should also be remembered that such things can have dangerous consequences for the practitioners. Intelligence agencies in various countries have been exploring what could be called paranormal topics from at least the 1950's.

There is nothing in the above statement but personal attacking. You have not even understood my questioning at all. In fact you have tried to give a question which you think is reasonable only you have not even shown reason. I questioned your understanding on the elevated terms and I did question on your terms as per what you think is fully developed. Also as your previous views have been deleted. YOU WANT TO MEET!! Plus who said death is the end of life as per spirtual terms. PLUS IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH I WILL SHOW U MEET ME!! A FULL LESSON ON HOW TO DEVELOP YOURSELF> CALL IT FIND OUT HOW TO LET GO OF EGO CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT IM READY TO TEACH!!! BAD BOY!!!

Parma ji

You are officially warned to manage your anger more effectively in this forum. Earlier forum leadership was persuaded that they had been too harsh with you. Your comments to pk70 warrant a sincere apology.

This is a warning. The next time there will be an infraction. We can take it from there. No use in telling me that I have angered you. We can if you will make an attempt to open another chapter in this book. Sat Sri Akaal
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WARNED.

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ਕਿਰਪਾ ਨਿਧਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲਾ ॥
किरपा निधि प्रभ दीन दइआला ॥
Kirpā niḏẖ parabẖ ḏīn ḏa*i*ālā.
God is the ocean of mercy, merciful to the meek;
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सुख सागर मेरे गुर गोपाला ॥
Sukẖ sāgar mėrė gur gopālā.
Ocean of Peace, my Guru, Sustainer of the world.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok