Sikhism : An Offshoot of Hinduism

After being here on SPN and going through the opinions of various members on The God and the creation,Karma, Liberation and allied concepts of sikhism It is not wrong to say that sikhism is just an ultra modern form of Hinduism or Vedantism.

I do not have in depth knowledge of both the religions but to me it appears that both the religions are same there is superficial difference created for purpose.
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Excluding the outer appearance of the sikhs they intrinsically are just the Hindus.There is no essential difference between a sikh and a Hindu. If any one has a different opinion one may post and I shall reply mostly from Geeta i.e. stated to be the conceptually summarized format of Vedas and Upnishdas and some other booklets published by the Leading publishers on Hinduism. I shall also have the liberty of quoting the opinion of the members of this forum from the various posts.
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I am a sikh and have been trying to understand this as a different faith but fail to find any material difference between the two and do feel and understand as to why Indian Government has not classified it as a separate religion.


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I am totally dismayed by the comments of some members in the thread of Karmas and Will and etc,. and hence this dejection.

No.

There are some similarties with Hinduism but many differences. One could say Sikhi has commonality with other faiths. For example, Daswand is a Semitic concept and is prevalent in Christianity and Islam (I think).
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I anycase similarities with which branch of Hinduism? Vashnavite, Shivite? Hindu thought and belief is so difference it is difficult to define Hinduism, let alone comparing it with Sikhism.

Sikh80 ji

Why are you dismayed? For me Sikhism is not an offshoot of Hinduism, but that does not mean that we cannot continue to discuss similarities and differences.

Another way to look at this is to say -- Sikhism and "Hinduism" with other religions comprise the dharmic traditions which include Sikhism, the Vedantic paths of India, Jainism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc.

One can reasonably argue that there is no religion called "Hinduism."

The actual term “Hindu” first occurs as an Old Persian geographical term (derived from the river sindhu), to identify the people who lived beyond the River Indus. However, the modern origin is derived from the

Arabic

Arabic

texts - Al-Hind (the Hind) referring to 'the land of the people of modern day India' - which then got vernacularised as Hindu.[3] In the world history “Hindu” was also used by all Mughal Empires and towards the end of the eighteenth century by the

British

Great_Britain

to refer to the people of “

Hindustan

Hindustan

”, the area of northern and adjoining northwestern India. Eventually “Hindu” became equivalent to anybody of “Indian” origin who was not otherwise

Sikh

Sikh

,

Jain

Jain

, or belonged to a religion of

Abrahamic

Abraham

denomination, thereby encompassing a wide range of religious beliefs and practices.[4]
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One of the accepted views is that “ism” was added to “Hindu” around 1830 to denote the culture and religion of the high-caste Brahmans in contrast to other religions. The term was soon appropriated by Indians themselves as they tried to establish a national identity opposed to colonialism. [4]

Due to the wide diversity in the beliefs, practices and traditions encompassed by Hinduism, there is no universally accepted definition on who a Hindu is, or even agreement on whether Hinduism represents a religious, cultural or socio-political entity. In 1995, Chief Justice P. B. Gajendragadkar was quoted in an

Indian Supreme Court

Supreme_Court_of_India

ruling:[5]
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"When we think of the Hindu religion, unlike other religions in the world, the Hindu religion does not claim any one prophet; it does not worship any one god; it does not subscribe to any one dogma; it does not believe in any one philosophic concept; it does not follow any one set of religious rites or performances; in fact, it does not appear to satisfy the narrow traditional features of any religion of creed. It may broadly be described as a way of life and nothing more."

Hindu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hindu

Dharmic religions have similarities. Yet, they all differ from each other in significant ways. Religion is a living and organic phenomenon, and it rises up from the questions that people ask about their relationship with "God" and the Cosmos, over and over again, throughout centuries. Therefore, transformations occur.

There is an analogy with the evolution of forms in nature. New species rise up from an earlier genetic form. These newer and older forms share similar biological structures, perhaps many similar DNA markers. But each species also has genetic features that define it as a distinctly different species, making it different from its genetic relatives. So it goes with religious belief systems. Distinctive features that make a religion what it is.

This is a pretty good description of what I am talking about

Guru Fateh!

Why No Randip ji.???

...It is immaterial with which branch of hinduism you compare the end result shall be the same. It is not about the GOd they believe in but the broad philosophy they profess. At macro level it is same. You may start at major differences of sikhism with any branch of hinduism as it is commonly understood.They are clear as to what they are doing though it may be professedly against sikhism but it does not mean that they are in any way inferior or sikhs are not doing the same things in almost similar ways.You may kindly take up few specific points that strikes to your mind.
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Regarding aad ji's query/observation it can be summed up as to the religion/faith that most Indians profess.Let that be for the sake of discussion be called as hinduism without indulging in hair splitting.

Hindustan[India] means place of living of Hindus.

Else you are free to think of all that Sikhism is all against and that is why it came into being as the starting point. Which ever way it suits you. You are the best judge to think it out. I do not want to get involved in definitions at this stage.let us leave those for the purposes of ironing out,if required at all.

The definition of Hinduism as stated in wikipedia and as placed in aad ji's post is an excellent exposition of Hinduism. There cannot be any better wording for any faith or religion than that aad ji has quoted. Kudos to Hinduism.A religion without prophet But a religion Of God and for the God.

And this is also a pretty nice work that I have talked about aad ji.

01.Definition and Meaning Explained by aad ji

"When we think of the Hindu religion, unlike other religions in the world, the Hindu religion does not claim any one prophet; it does not worship any one god; it does not subscribe to any one dogma; it does not believe in any one philosophic concept; it does not follow any one set of religious rites or performances; in fact, it does not appear to satisfy the narrow traditional features of any religion of creed. It may broadly be described as a way of life and nothing more."
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Sikhism is not offshoot of Hinduism but an offshoot of Shiaism. Again there are many similarities but differences too. Do you want proof ?

[quote=namjap;83277]Sikhism is not offshoot of Hinduism but an offshoot of Shiaism. Again there are many similarities but differences too. Do you want proof ?[/quote]

Namjap ji, you seem to be joking.!!!!
Cheers!!!

We are discussiing Hinduism vs.Sikhism only.

You may begin a new thread and I shall participate as a sikh and you may take up shia...Done.

Cheers!!!!

P.S
Namjap ji , what happened to your signatures???

Sikhi80 ji

You are sounding a little more upbeat!

"When we think of the Hindu religion, unlike other religions in the world, the Hindu religion does not claim any one prophet; it does not worship any one god; it does not subscribe to any one dogma; it does not believe in any one philosophic concept; it does not follow any one set of religious rites or performances; in fact, it does not appear to satisfy the narrow traditional features of any religion of creed. It may broadly be described as a way of life and nothing more."
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These are the words of a Chief Justice in India, dated 1995. And my thinking has changed since reading this statement.

Consider what he has said. Sikhism does worship a particular god, the kartaar purak(h)u, who is akaal miraat(t)h, who is Sat Nam. Sikhism does subscribe to dogma: i.e., a system of belief. Sikhism does uphold distinctive philosophic concepts. Sikhism does possess specific rites that Sikhs know and recognize as their own as Sikhs. Skhs have an identity as a religion. Even the British recognized this "Sikhi" as distinct.

Hinduism has been a way to identify a religion or belief system only in the last century. It follows that Sikhism cannot be an offshoot of Hinduism because as a belief system, as a paanth, Sikhism has existed for a longer period of time than "Hinduism." This is not splitting hairs. Sikhs thought of themselves as Sikhs from the time of the Guru's and Sikh beliefs were institutionalized in 1708 and not the 20th Century.

Like you, I think -- there have been Hindus as long as I have been alive. So I think there must have always been "hindus" and there must have always been "hinduism." But I was wrong. Who were the Hindu's before the time of the British raj, before the liberation of India?

For centuries people of the vedas did not call themselves "Hindus." But today we call the people of old, "Hindus." What did the peoples of the al-hind call themselves then in terms of religion? For centuries the people of India did not label themselves first and foremost according to a particular religion. Society was primarily organized along the lines of clan, lineage and tribe. And a clan and a tribe were closely associated region, a place. Along with one's clan also came an identity from one's local culture - one's town or village. My guess is that religion and religious identity matched the religious practices of a particular region. The practices of a particular dera or mandir. These were people who followed a particular understanding of the vedas. They were not Hindus. They were people of the vedas as they understood these holy books.
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The root is belief in "dharma." From the root of dharmic philosophy come the shoots, several off-shoots, including Sikhism.

Sikh 80 Ji
Since its conception, Sikhism is being considered a part of the existing religions in India. To support it, quotes from here and there are given to fulfill hopeful dreams. Truth prevailed and would due to the total approach of Sikhism. Only, Amrit ceremony introduced by Guru Gobind Singh to turn victims into self defenders, alone stands tall against their imaginative claims; however, there are other basics concepts which are extremely different the way are described by Sikh founder like His Ordinance, His Grace and Mukti. To understand Sikhism, one has to look at the message of Guru Granth Sahib in totality. During guerrilla War, academic field was taken over by either disguised Hindus or the ones who had pretty much nostalgia of Hinduism. A lot of stuff is found in Rehatnamas written under the names of well known Sikhs which certainly is not part of Sikhi. Those cannot be verified with any Guru Bachan. Sohan Singh Seetal compiled a book” Sikh Sahit de some”( Sources of Sikh Literature) in which laughable contents are found that go totally against Historical facts.
The society where Guru Nanak grew up in, had major two faiths, Islam and Hinduism though there were other sectarian ideology like Yog matt, Janism etc. Guru Nanak as enlightened one, had to address them in their own language and terminology to lead the seekers to the Ultimate Truth. Who were scared of this new religion of Guru Nanak, used same terminology as a base to blend this new religion.. Vashanavites and Hindus were those who declared that those terms were already in Vedas etc so Sikhs Gurus are aligned with those, therefore it is a kind of Hinduism and Vashanavism . Surprisingly all these terms are given new meaning in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji stressing only on His Nam and love for Him obtainable only through Guru but still it depends on His grace.
This needs a thorough thesis to negate claims based on some similarities as they are there in every faith, however, lets take some examples from Guru Granth Sahib against Hinduism.
Caste.System: In Hinduism, it is a base, in Balmiki Ramayin( Uttar Kand A 76)Ram Chandra is shown killing a person belonging to low class just because he was doing bhagati, on his beheading, Devtas shower flowers. That is the bottom line, if the revered Devta Ram Chand does such heinous crime for Caste System, imagine how much it is deep into the psyche of the followers, contrary to it, Sikh Guru makes his followers to drink from one pot. Strong rejection of Caste System , more ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੧ ॥ ਫਕੜ ਜਾਤੀ ਫਕੜੁ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਸਭਨਾ ਜੀਆ ਇਕਾ ਛਾਉ ॥ ਆਪਹੁ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਭਲਾ ਕਹਾਏ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਾ ਪਰੁ ਜਾਪੈ ਜਾ ਪਤਿ ਲੇਖੈ ਪਾਏ ॥੧॥
Salok mehlā 1. Fakaṛ jāṯī fakaṛ nā*o. Sabẖnā jī*ā ikā cẖẖā*o. Āphu jė ko bẖalā kahā*ė. Nānak ṯā par jāpai jā paṯ lėkẖai pā*ė. ||1||
Slok, First Guru. Perposterous is caste and vain the glory. The Lord alone gives shade to all the beings. Some one may call himself good, but his being good shall be only known when his honour shall be accepted in God's account O Nanak!

ਚਾਰੇ ਪੈਰ ਧਰਮ ਦੇ ਚਾਰਿ ਵਰਨਿ ਇਕੁ ਵਰਨੁ ਕਰਾਇਆ ।
chaaray pair dharam day chaari varani iku varanu karaaiaa|
Dharma was now established on its four feet and all the four castes (through fraternal feeling) were converted into one caste (of humanity).( Bhai Gurdas Var 1)


2AVTAR. In Hinduism, God incarnates individually, Gurbani rejects it by calling them kings who were called as God incarnation
ਜੁਗਹ ਜੁਗਹ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਕੀਏ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਕਰਿ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰਿ ਆਖਿ ਵੀਚਾਰੀ ॥੭॥
Jugah jugah kė rājė kī*ė gāvahi kar avṯārī. Ŧin bẖī anṯ na pā*i*ā ṯā kā ki*ā kar ākẖ vīcẖārī. ||7||
In every age the Lord creates the Kings who are sung of as His incarnations. Even they have not found His limits. What shall I then say and reflect upon?
ਦਸ ਅਉਤਾਰ ਰਾਜੇ ਹੋਇ ਵਰਤੇ ਮਹਾਦੇਵ ਅਉਧੂਤਾ ॥ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਭੀ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਤੇਰਾ ਲਾਇ ਥਕੇ ਬਿਭੂਤਾ ॥੩॥
Ḏas a*uṯār rājė ho*ė varṯė mahāḏėv a*uḏẖūṯā. Ŧinĥ bẖī anṯ na pā*i*o ṯėrā lā*ė thakė bibẖūṯā. ||3||
There have been ten incarnations, Kings and forsakers like Shiva. They too found not thine limit, though some grew weary of smearing their body with ashes.
When outright, importance of these so called Gods, in pursuit of the Creator, is rejected, there should be no doubt, Sikh path has an originality. For Sikhs He manifests in His creation but does not incarnate, illusionary approach has no boundaries though, so they keep beating their drums loudly, but facts are there against their imaginative conclusions
Devta/Devi
ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਸਭਿ ਦੇਵਾ ॥ ਕਾਲੁ ਨ ਛੋਡੈ ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ॥ ਓਹੁ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਅਲਖ ਅਭੇਵਾ ॥੨॥
Mā*i*ā mohė ḏėvī sabẖ ḏėvā. Kāl na cẖẖodai bin gur kī sėvā. Oh abẖināsī alakẖ abẖėvā. ||2||
Mammon has deluded all gods and goddesses. Death spares none without Guru's service. That Lord is Imperishable, Unseen, and Inscrutable.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਰੋਗੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਈ ॥ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਏ ਤਿਸਹਿ ਨ ਚੇਤਹਿ ਬਪੁੜੇ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੋਝੀ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥
Barahmā bisan mahāḏė*o ṯarai guṇ rogī vicẖ ha*umai kār kamā*ī. Jin kī*ė ṯiseh na cẖīṯeh bapuṛė har gurmukẖ sojẖī pā*ī. ||2||
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are afflicted with the ailment of three dispositions. They act in the spirit of I-am-ness. The poor ones remember not Him, who created them. The Lord's understanding is obtained, through the Guru.
Fast
Fasts are considered pious in Hinduism, Sikhism rejects them outright.
ਅੰਨੁ ਨ ਖਾਹਿ ਦੇਹੀ ਦੁਖੁ ਦੀਜੈ ॥ ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਥੀਜੈ ॥ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਜਨਮੈ ਜਨਮਿ ਮਰੀਜੈ ॥੬॥
Ann na kẖāhi ḏėhī ḏukẖ ḏījai. Bin gur gi*ān ṯaripaṯ nahī thījai. Manmukẖ janmai janam marījai. ||6||
Some one takes, not food, and tortures his body. Without the Guru's wisdom he becomes not content. Such a perverse person is born only to die and be born again.
Tithi Vaar ( good or bad omen)
Hindus are grounded in initial pleasing of the demi gods they believe in before starting anything, according to Gurbani all these are chains of imaginative fears, Sikhs are advised to just thank HIM, do prayer to Him, that is it.
ਸਗੁਨ ਅਪਸਗੁਨ ਤਿਸ ਕਉ ਲਗਹਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਚੀਤਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ॥ ਤਿਸੁ ਜਮੁ ਨੇੜਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥੨॥
Sagun apasgun ṯis ka*o lageh jis cẖīṯ na āvai. Ŧis jam nėṛ na āvī jo har parabẖ bẖāvai. ||2||
Good omens and bad omens befall him who remembers not the Lord. Death's courier draws not near him who is pleasing to the Lord God.
Pilgrimage
Many faiths give pilgrimage extreme importance, in Hinduism it is vital to wash sins, Gurbani rejects it
ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਇ ਨ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਮੈਲੁ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਸਭਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਫੈਲੁ ॥ ਲੋਕ ਪਚਾਰੈ ਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਹੂਣੇ ਚਲਸਹਿ ਰੋਇ ॥੨॥
Ŧirath nā*ė na uṯras mail. Karam ḏẖaram sabẖ ha*umai fail. Lok pacẖārai gaṯ nahī ho*ė. Nām bihūṇė cẖalsahi ro*ė. ||2||
Bathing at shrines, the filth departs not. The rituals and religious rites are all the ostentations of self-conceit. Pleasing the people, one is emancipated not. Without the Lord's Name, the screen is shattered not.
ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥ ਜਿਸ ਦੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਚੁ ਹੈ ਸੋ ਸਚਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਸਚੁ ਅਲਾਏ ॥ ਓਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਆਪਿ ਚਲਦਾ ਹੋਰਨਾ ਨੋ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪਾਏ ॥ ਜੇ ਅਗੈ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਹੋਇ ਤਾ ਮਲੁ ਲਹੈ ਛਪੜਿ ਨਾਤੈ ਸਗਵੀ ਮਲੁ ਲਾਏ ॥ ਤੀਰਥੁਪੂਰਾਸਤਿਗੁਰੂਜੋਅਨਦਿਨੁਹਰਿਹਰਿਨਾਮੁਧਿਆਏ॥ ਓਹੁ ਆਪਿ ਛੁਟਾ ਕੁਟੰਬ ਸਿਉ ਦੇ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਭ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਛਡਾਏ ॥ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਸੁ ਬਲਿਹਾਰਣੈ ਜੋ ਆਪਿ ਜਪੈ ਅਵਰਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਏ ॥੨॥

Mehlā 4. Jis ḏai anḏar sacẖ hai so sacẖā nām mukẖ sacẖ alā*ė. Oh har mārag āp cẖalḏā hornā no har mārag pā*ė. Jė agai ṯirath ho*ė ṯā mal lahai cẖẖapaṛ nāṯai sagvī mal lā*ė. Ŧirath pūrā saṯgurū jo an*ḏin har har nām ḏẖi*ā*ė. Oh āp cẖẖutā kutamb si*o ḏė har har nām sabẖ sarisat cẖẖadā*ė. Jan Nānak ṯis balihārṇai jo āp japai avrā nām japā*ė. ||2||
Fourth Guru. He, within whom is the truth obtains the True Name and with his mouth utters the truth. He himself walks in God's way and puts others on God's path. If there be a pure water tank in front then the filth is washed off. By bathing in a pond, still more filth attaches to the man. The perfect place of pilgrimage is the True Guru who night and day meditates on the Name of Lord God. He is saved himself along with his family and by giving the Name of the Lord Master saves the whole world. Servant Nanak is a sacrifice unto him, who himself repeats God's Name and causes others to utter the Name.
Tantar Mantar
A part of Hinduism including other sectarian boxes, Sikhism considers it hypocrisy.
ਤੰਤੁ ਮੰਤੁ ਪਾਖੰਡੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਅੰਜਨੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਤੇ ਸੂਝੈ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਨਿਆ
Ŧanṯ manṯ pakẖand na jāṇā rām riḏai man māni*ā. Anjan nām ṯisai ṯė sūjẖai gur sabḏī sacẖ jāni*ā. ||4||
Enchantment, witchcraft and hypocrisy I know not, placing the Lord within my heart, my, my soul is pleased. The Name-salve is known from him alone, who by Guru's instruction realises the True Lord.
Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha ji states that there are seven basics of Hinduism
1 To accept Vedas as Truth
2. To keep faith and to accept results of virtues and misdeeds are Heaven and Hell
3 Believing in incarnation and seek liberation
4 To believe Caste system as a base of the Hinduism
5 Burn the dead
6. Protect Cow
7 Have faith in purity and impurity ( as contagious
Now lets see Sikhism in this prospective
1.The base of Sikhism is not Vedas, actually Vedas preach trade. For a Sikh only Gurbani is trueਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ ਬਾਣੀ ਤ ਕਚੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਕਹਦੇ ਕਚੇ ਸੁਣਦੇ ਕਚੇ .ਕਚੀ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੀ ॥ ॥੨੪॥
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Without the True Guru, all other word is false. Without the True Guru every other word is false. All other sermons are but false. False are the utterers, false the hearers, false the reciters and false their authors.

2All believers have faith, it is not only part of Hinduism, there is no special definition in Sikhism about Heavan and Hell save for their references as suffering due to turning back towards the creator.
3Incarnation is not only believed by Hindus but also by ancient Egyptians and others, they were not known as Hindus because of it.so who believe in it, does not automatically become Hindu
4Caste System has been rejected as described above
5Well, it is not advocated by Sikhism, bodies of Guru Arjan Dev and Mata Ganga Ji were rested in water.
6In Sikhism, Cow is not special pure animal as Hindus do.
7In Sikhism, concept of purity is totally new, only through Nam Simran purity is obtained, in Hinduism there are many rituals to do purity.
Gurus themselves declare
ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
Bẖairo mehlā 5.
Bhairo 5th Guru.

ਵਰਤ ਨ ਰਹਉ ਨ ਮਹ ਰਮਦਾਨਾ ॥
varaṯ na raha*o na mah ramḏānā.
I practise not fasting, not observe I the month of Ramzan.

ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵੀ ਜੋ ਰਖੈ ਨਿਦਾਨਾ ॥੧॥
Ŧis sėvī jo rakẖai niḏānā. ||1||
I serve Him alone, who will save me in the end.
Ėk gusā*ī alhu mėrā.
The One Lord of the world is my God.

ਹਿੰਦੂਤੁਰਕਦੁਹਾਂਨੇਬੇਰਾ॥੧॥ਰਹਾਉ॥
Hinḏū ṯurak ḏuhāʼn nėbėrā. ||1|| rahā*o.
He ministers justice to both the Hindus and Muslims. Pause.

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥
Haj kābai jā*o na ṯirath pūjā.
I go not on pilgrimage to Mecca, nor worship I at the holies.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥
Ėko sėvī avar na ḏūjā. ||2||
I serve only the one Lord and not any other.

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥
Pūjā kara*o na nivāj gujāra*o.
I perform not Hindu worship, nor offer I Muslim prayer.

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥
Ėk nirankār lė riḏai namaskāra*o. ||3||
Taking the One Formless Lord into my mind, I make obeisance unto Him there.

ਨਾਹਮਹਿੰਦੂਨਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ॥
Nā ham hinḏū na musalmān.
I am neither a Hindu, nor a Muslim.

ਅਲਹਰਾਮਕੇਪਿੰਡੁਪਰਾਨ॥੪॥
Alah rām kė pind parān. ||4||
My body and soul belong to Him, who is called God of Muslims and the Lord of Hindus.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22308
Kaho Kabīr ih kī*ā vakẖānā.
Says Kabir, this wise utter I the truth,
ਏਕੁਗੁਸਾਈਅਲਹੁਮੇਰਾ॥
Ėk gusā*ī alhu mėrā.
The One Lord of the world is my God.
ਹਿੰਦੂਤੁਰਕਦੁਹਾਂਨੇਬੇਰਾ॥੧॥ਰਹਾਉ॥
Hinḏū ṯurak ḏuhāʼn nėbėrā. ||1|| rahā*o.
He ministers justice to both the Hindus and Muslims. Pause.
ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥
Haj kābai jā*o na ṯirath pūjā.
I go not on pilgrimage to Mecca, nor worship I at the holies.
ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥
Ėko sėvī avar na ḏūjā. ||2||
I serve only the one Lord and not any other.
ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥
Pūjā kara*o na nivāj gujāra*o.
I perform not Hindu worship, nor offer I Muslim prayer.
ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥
Ėk nirankār lė riḏai namaskāra*o. ||3||
Taking the One Formless Lord into my mind, I make obeisance unto Him there.
ਨਾਹਮਹਿੰਦੂਨਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ॥ ( Note Bhai Gurdas varifies this belief of Guru ji as a fact Var-1)
Nā ham hinḏū na musalmān.
I am neither a Hindu, nor a Muslim.
ਅਲਹਰਾਮਕੇਪਿੰਡੁਪਰਾਨ॥੪॥
Alah rām kė pind parān. ||4||
My body and soul belong to Him, who is called God of Muslims and the Lord of Hindus.
ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥
Kaho Kabīr ih kī*ā vakẖānā.
Says Kabir, this wise utter I the truth,
ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥
Gur pīr mil kẖuḏ kẖasam pacẖẖānā. ||5||3||
that meeting with the Guru the Prophet, I have realised my Lord.
ਹਿੰਦੂਮੂਲੇਭੂਲੇਅਖੁਟੀਜਾਂਹੀ॥
Hinḏū mūlė bẖūlė akẖutī jāʼnhī.
The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord and are going the wrong way.( which wrong way? Answer is in the following Vaak)ਨਾਰਦਿਕਹਿਆਸਿਪੂਜਕਰਾਂਹੀ॥
Nāraḏ kahi*ā se pūj karāʼnhī.
As Narad instructed so they worship the idols.
ਅੰਧੇ ਗੁੰਗੇ ਅੰਧ ਅੰਧਾਰੁ ॥
Anḏẖė gungė anḏẖ anḏẖār.
They are blind, dumb and the blindest of the blind.
ਪਾਥਰੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਮੁਗਧ ਗਵਾਰ ॥
Pāthar lė pūjeh mugaḏẖ gavār.
The ignorant fools take stones and worship them.
ਓਹਿ ਜਾ ਆਪਿ ਡੁਬੇ ਤੁਮ ਕਹਾ ਤਰਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
Ohi jā āp dubė ṯum kahā ṯaraṇhār. ||2||
Those stones when they themselves sink, how shall they ferry thee across?

Guru Nanak has given concept of falling in love and being imbued with His love while living in this world without abiding any order of religious rules which literally are chains in progression. Stress is to win over five primal forces. Concept of Ordnance, His Grace and new concept of Mukti having while being alive differ from any sectarian ideology existed before Guru Nanak; calling Guru panth “off shoot of Hinduism” is a sheer misunderstanding of Gurbani in its totality. Looking at a few similarities and jumping on conclusion that it is not different than Hinduism, is either based on immaturity or under the influence of propagated agenda of those who just want to blend this religion into their own so that new wave of believers should not question their limitations of their faith in pursuit of humanity of high level principles.

NOTE Sikh 80 ji, Why do you need to be dismayed? Just because of reading comments of some who horribly failed to understand Gurbani in its totality. You have been advocating understanding Gurbani through the interpretation found in Guru granth sahib Ji itself. Why you feel dismayed? Aad0002 ji has given good reference how and from where all this Hindu thing” originated just to prove that before jumping on any conclusion, or criticizing others who have different faith than Sikhism, one should know what is base of all this. Surprisingly if you put Hinduism( as per Chief Justice' idea quoted by aad ji), to compare to other religions, it seems like a way of life rather than a religion, there are boxes within boxes. How then Sikhism can be called " off shoot" of it? A lot of truth lies in the words of Chief Justice though to some his words may sound strange. In that prospective too, Sikhism stands all alone.
Same way, all who voilate Sikhs basic principles may call their own sect or cult, surely it cannot be Sikhism as per definition of Sikhism as a religion.

Reference” Bhai Kahan Singh “ Ham Hindu Nahin “