Sant Siphahi - Tigerstyle - Wonderful Song

Parma · #28 (**permalink**) 02-Jun-2012, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanwaljit Singh

I may be wrong, but music has different effects too!

The raags of Gurbani have a calming effect, which is what mind needs. I am sorry I don't think RnB or Rock would calm your mind. And I feel it is a bit of ego, if we try and deviate from the Raags and mix music of different themes with Gurbani.

As an example, listen to this rendition of Gurbani and tell me if it doesn't encapture your heart and soul:
Nahi ***** Re Baba Raam Naam - Professor Kartar Singh - Live Sri Harmandir Sahib - YouTube

It is OK to use western instruments as long as you can add the soothing sounds which come with Gurbani. Anyone trying band baaja and sing Gurbani is making a mess of things. And it is not so uncommon to use band baja along with Gurbani in today's nagar kirtans. They shout and shriek, thinking they are taking it to next level, no one listens or absorbs what is being said.

More points:

Source http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Raga

Moods and feelings
A raag creates an atmosphere which is associated with particular feelings and sentiments. If Bhairav has the serenity of early dawn, Darbari has the splendour of midnight. Bhupali can never be associated with mirth and fun whereas Bageshri is more suited for a lighthearted romantic mood. The Raagmala paintings of Rajasthan depict beautifully the underlying 'ras' or mood expressed by every raag.
In the time cycle , you first have raags based on 'komal swaras', what we call the flat notes. In all the komal swar raags you ( Bhairav, Gunkali), you have one thing in common: the note rishabh and dhaivat. The fourth note, madhyam, is also a komal swar, but it is used in teevra swar (sharp) when singing the twilight raags after sunset to define the change in mood between the two hours before sunrise and after sunset. So, with the subtle change in one note, the entire mood of the raag changes. All these twilight melodies called Sandhiprakash raags in our musical terminology, covey a certain pathos, a certain yearning. These are followed by the raags of the first quarter of the morning and night, such as Todi, Asavari, and then the midday and midnight raags.

A valid point Kanwaljit ji. The thing is these other genre of music have not been tried and tested so it is hard to validate this theory. Also, views you have shown are tried and tested methods and look at the process of sikhism the youth are not getting interested with these types of music that are being used at moment so why not try something different? I mean in India if you go to a wedding the sangat does not even turn up to the Anand Karaj part but they turn up to the party part all because of a lack of interest not in god but in the lack of interest in the way the information is being processed to them. Like a teacher I guess some people are drawn in by the depths of sant singh maskeen some are drawn in by the dynamics of sant gernail singh bhinderwala! It takes all sorts the Sat sangat is diverse and should be catered as such.

Randip Singh · #29 (**permalink**) 02-Jun-2012, 16:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanwaljit Singh

I may be wrong, but music has different effects too!

The raags of Gurbani have a calming effect, which is what mind needs. I am sorry I don't think RnB or Rock would calm your mind. And I feel it is a bit of ego, if we try and deviate from the Raags and mix music of different themes with Gurbani.

I agree but Music set to raag is melodious. You can have soft rock, thrash, hard rock, and soft rock maybe considered melodious. RnB singing about booty and getting women is nonsense as far as I am concerned.............but again raag is raag...

Here's an example of melodious RnB set to Raag. I think it's very nice and melodious:

Yaarian Amrinder Gill & Dr Zeus Feat Shortie Official Video 2012 HD - YouTube

Ishna · #30 (**permalink**) 02-Jun-2012, 18:52 PM

What's more important, the technical arrangement of notes, or the emotions the notes evoke in people?

It is also a bit subjective, not all melodies will have the same impression on people

Listen to this (it starts at 47 seconds - it's a very short instrumental song):

Metallica - The Ecstasy Of Gold(S&M) - YouTube

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/inspirational/38567-sant-siphahi-tigerstyle-wonderful-song.html
Do you feel invigorated, inspired, ready to charge into battle?

Now hook that up with words about the spiritual battle with vices in pursuit of the love of God and you've got yourself a set of goosepimples and someone ready for ardaas, hehe. (or is that just me?

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Or is the point that there is something special about raags in particular? Something universal?

I admit, when I first started listening to kirtan, it did nothing for me because the music was so strange for me to hear. It had to grow on me. So I'm a little skeptical that there is something inherently superior of one musical system over another.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38567

But I agree entirely that music has a profound impact on human psyche and that heavy metal, thrash, etc aren't conducive to a peaceful, spiritual, contemplative mood.

But do all raags have that effect? I thought some raags were meant to evoke a sense of loss, of separation, etc?

harry haller · #31 (**permalink**) 02-Jun-2012, 19:07 PM

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Now hook that up with words about the spiritual battle with vices in pursuit of the love of God and you've got yourself a set of goosepimples and someone ready for ardaas, hehe. (or is that just me?

nope its me too

, I actually read Bani whilst listening to this album............