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We are discussing an imaginery situation as there are no reports of conversions.
kanwardeep ji, exactly my point, we only focus on negatives and fail comprehend the positive message altogether...

Topic starter is not discussing an imaginary situation here. He has presented a very successful working module of how even an individual can help out the poor or the needy. If we can take a queue from above story, a Gurdwara can easily replace a Church to extend its support to such people who are coming forward to help out the needy.



 
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kanwardeep ji, exactly my point, we only focus on negatives and fail comprehend the positive message altogether...

Topic starter is not discussing an imaginary situation here. He has presented a very successful working module of how even an individual can help out the poor or the needy. If we can take a queue from above story, a Gurdwara can easily replace a Church to extend its support to such people who are coming forward to help out the needy.
Well We are totally relying on one media report and we all know that a good journalist can make anyone a hero.

The reason I started doubting is because it is mentioned that she distribute her charity through churches or schools.All the schools mentioned in article are Christian one.In Punjab Sikhism is still dominant faith followed by hinduism
.If she really want's to help the poor why she is not distribuiting her charity through Gurdwara's ,Sikh schools,Ngo's etc.Anyway this is just my Doubt and I hope My doubt is wrong but on the other hand No one can deny the fact that Christians in India do target the poor and vulnerable for conversions so any charity coming through churches do raises suspicions that Whether that is real charity or Indirect conversion method
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We are discussing an imaginery situation as there are no reports of conversions.
Anyway My point was if just because of financial help or a job you convert to other Religion
then how is it justified
I would always admire the doers. Not debating just penning a typical scenario.

Consider,
  • You are poor and social outcasts
  • You don't have food in the house
  • You don't have a cot to sleep on
  • You don't have money for health care
  • Your parents cannot afford education or better education
Anyone (a believer of God or even an atheist) who can help immediately and create hope in the soul is worthy of praise and encouragement.

Sikhi is inclusive and touches people's souls and the messengers or the believers are at fault if they don't experience this.

Sat Sri Akal.
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I would always admire the doers. Not debating just penning a typical scenario.

Consider,
  • You are poor and social outcasts
  • You don't have food in the house
  • You don't have a cot to sleep on
  • You don't have money for health care
  • Your parents cannot afford education or better education
Anyone (a believer of God or even an atheist) who can help immediately and create hope in the soul is worthy of praise and encouragement.

Sikhi is inclusive and touches people's souls and the messengers or the believers are at fault if they don't experience this.

Sat Sri Akal.
Well I agree with you that doers should be admired but on the other hand intention of doers is also a matter of concern.We all know islam and christianity believe in conversions either by hook or crook so they will always exploit the situation.So should we accept that there is nothing wrong If you help people in exchange of their faith?

Anyway If a man Helps a woman in the situations you have mentioned in
your post and one day He ask her to sleep with him then is that man worth of
praising or he is pervert oppurtunist who is just exploiting the situation of the woman

The reason I am asking you this question is 4-5 years back when I was discussing this issue and I too was saying that how christian missionaries help people then someone asked this question to me and I was unable to answer that.
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Just some thought in the dialog,

...... Well I agree with you that doers should be admired but on the other hand ....
- intention of doers is also a matter of concern ... it is for recipient and recepient alone to judge
- We all know ... sorry let us not generalize
- islam and christianity believe in conversions either by hook or crook so they will always exploit the situation ... let us not generalize even though there may be more (not absolute) abundance of truth in the statements
- So should we (the recepient to decide in dialog with their own soul) accept that there is nothing wrong If you help people in exchange of their faith?

In terms of the other statements,
- Anyway If a man Helps a woman in that situations as you have mentioned in your post ... the woman and her soul accepts the act of kindness or with hidden intentions and not for you or me to judge
- and the and one day He ask her to sleep with him then is that man worth of praising ... that man is not seeking praise from you and me and again if the woman's soul decides as to be that is her decision
- or he is pervert oppurtunist who is just exploiting the situation of the woman ... not for you or me to judge but the woman. May be the first act of kindness would have made the woman stronger rather than weaker to address the situation. Were it to be the case that the same was posed before the first act of kindness the woman would have succumbed much easily.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/inspirational-stories/33649-indias-one-woman-charity.html

If one is scared of judgment, it is hard to do much. Acts need to be judged in their own merit at the time of occurrence.

In my humble opinion,

- Series of good acts make a person great
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33649
- Series of good acts with some questionable acts makes the person average
- Series of bad acts make a person needing lot of improvement
- Series of no acts are a reflection of indifference and isolation
- Talk is just that, talk

The final judge of an act is the person who was impacted and every person's soul knows the answer about good or bad whether they verbalize it as such or not.

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Due to some reasons I am not going to discuss this matter further
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What you say is very true. It is so easy to get caught in the negatives and in the blame game as that absolves us of any responsibility. The charity I worked with in South America was a Christian charity. They had no problem with me not being Christian. Whether I went to the devotional service at the beginning of the day did not matter. Whether our patients were Christian or not did not matter to them. Churches provided them with an infrastructure to recruit volunteers and funds and co-ordinate between countries. Religion provided the founders of the charity with the inspiration to continue with the work even at the toughest moments.
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Each and every person has a responsibility to do what they can for those less fortunate. Each of us should be thinking how can I use my skills for others? How can I co-ordinate with others to make the best use of situations? This can be through Gurdwara's, existing charities etc. It's easy to say Gurdwara's need to be doing more but to do that they need people willing to take on responsibility and people to donate funds as well as skills.

If we are not doing this then we have no right to blame others for things we consider to be failings.
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