Sonia Gandhi Had Skin Cancer

harry haller · #10 (**permalink**) 09-Aug-2011, 17:22 PM

Kdsji,

Absolutely no question, peacefully.

What is the point in me getting angry with someone that abuses my wife. I assume you mean verbally, I would walk away, and I would grab my wife by the arm and make her walk away too.

If someone physically abused her? struck her? , I would restrain the person, as calmly as could be, and call the police, and press every charge I could press.

From an early age I have used humour to deal with situations, the last time I got caught in a road rage incident, I feigned a heart attack, and we both ended up hugging (hugging is so important!), the last time my wife had a road rage incident, after the cab driver made a sexual remark to my wife, as to the only way she could probably earn a living, she kicked his car, came home, and remarked that she had got angry today and did something stupid. I had to call the cab company and apologise, why? because these things can escalate if they get out of hand, in my mind it is best to diffuse using any means, and draw a line, upto a point anyway.

Anger, like lust, has its uses, but if we all drop to the common denominator, why might as well be atheists,

there are only two views on this

Sonia Ghandhi had skin cancer, I don't like the woman, but I am not going to lower myself by wishing her ill, as that makes me as bad as her.

or

Sonia Ghandhi had skin cancer, I hope she dies a painful and slow death, and I will take pleasure from it, because in that one moment, I am no better than she was, in ignoring the terrible tragedy of 84

or even

Sonia Ghandhi had skin cancer, I pray and hope the creator gives her a long life and forgives her for adding to the pain and misery of sikhs all round the world
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These are not even personal views, this is what our Guru has taught us

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humility and forgiveness

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 09-Aug-2011, 17:48 PM

Kds Ji..if it makes you feel nay better..my dad was a "walkover" too...he fell for every sob story that nayone could tell..time and time again...and when I complained..he sent me out to collect his debts...i came back having given the man a few dollars i had with me...becasue i fell even harder for his sob story...
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Now I ma an even worse walkover...I have several shops and houses I rent out...and every year I lose several months rent becasue the teneants sob their hearts out...I "know" they are lying..but i just cant be harsh...mywife and kids complained..so i used my dads method and sent them to collect the 6 months unpaid rent from one family...my wife came back after settling their unpaid electricity and water bills..and my son who was all brave and all asking i should throw their smaan out on the street...instead spent an entire day repairing their doors-locks and roof that leaked...no rent collected of course...his excuse..the small baby had no milk and the grandmum was sick...so YES we too are a fmaily of walk overs...we can only "collect" rentals given voluntarily but cnat collect roughly...even though we have several lawyers and highly placed police officers in our extended fmaily who tell us to ask for their help....if needed....we never needed that kind of help...not yet anyway..

kds1980 · #12 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2011, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Anger, like lust, has its uses, but if we all drop to the common denominator, why might as well be atheists,

there are only two views on this

Sonia Ghandhi had skin cancer, I don't like the woman, but I am not going to lower myself by wishing her ill, as that makes me as bad as her.

or

Sonia Ghandhi had skin cancer, I hope she dies a painful and slow death, and I will take pleasure from it, because in that one moment, I am no better than she was, in ignoring the terrible tragedy of 84

or even

Sonia Ghandhi had skin cancer, I pray and hope the creator gives her a long life and forgives her for adding to the pain and misery of sikhs all round the world

These are not even personal views, this is what our Guru has taught us

humility and forgiveness

What Guru's taught and what not is a big debate .Even Guru Gobind singh ji sent Banda Bahadur to plunder Sirhind and take revenge of Sahibzada's death. Guru Gobind singh ji made peace with bahadur Shah so why there was need for any campaign .Didn't Guru ji knew that attack on any mughal commander will create lot bloodshed including his own Singh's

Also if forgiveness is the motive then why so many rallies and noise about 84 riots.Even a person who know basic legal knowledge can tell that legally justice is not possible after 27 years in any country as it is already too long.lets just accept what congress has been telling sikhs forgive and forgot

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #13 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2011, 08:03 AM

Banda SINGH Bahadur was sent by Guru Gobind Singh to Carry on His Mission.
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The fact is that Banda's Army had only a few SIKHS...rest was what is called a MOB...and MOBS always plunder and loot. Banda Singhs sole aim was DEFEAT of Governor of Sirhind...and he was working in a WAR ZONE SITUATION.

When the time came for Banda Singh to be a MARTYR..he accpeted all torture - inlcuding such horrendous mental torture as having the beating heart of his toddler son torn out of its chest and stuffed into his mouth.....while hot pincers were used to grab and tear off pieces of his muscles and flesh...all Banda uttered was WAHEGURU...WAHEGURU...exactly like GURU ARJUN JI SAHIB on the Hot Plate.

Banda has been MUCH MALIGNED...by VESTED INTERESTS who TWISTED Sikh history...esp the Comrade Academicinas hwo gained prominenence in Punjab after 1947....is there any other..so called "PLUNDERER and LOOTER..who was MARTYRED in the fashion fo banda and who died that "peacefully" under such horrendous tortures ?? The answer is NONE...banda dies the way he lived..as a True Blooded GURSIKH...its hitting below the belt ( Kamarkassa !!) to lay such allegations at his door...Bandas timew as a CHANGE OF EMPIRES..a TRULY ROTTEN TREE was FALLING..and the EARTH WAS SHAKING.....there were plenty of ******* around to take advantage of such Tumultous times...and when the Misls took over and when the Khalsa Raj was established..any reports of .."plunder and looting ??? NONE. So how is this explained..SIKHS under the GURUS..didnt loot and plunder...SIKHS udner the Misls and Khalsa Raaj didnt loot or plunder ?? Did they suddenly become looters plunderers under Banda ???

harry haller · #14 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2011, 13:35 PM

Kdsji,

I have been thinking a lot of Bandaji for a long time, he is a real hero of sikhism for me.

I often wonder whether Guruji knew what would happen after his death, did he really believe that Bandaji would calmly put right the wrongs, or did he know in his heart that all hell would break loose, only Guruji knows this, but I feel he must have an inkling.
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Bandaji was not a guru, he was a man, a banda, whatever he did set the foundations for Maharaja Ranjit Singhji, he did make mistakes, and he did pay for them in the most awful way possible, he was a shinning example to us all about how easy it is to feel anger and ego, and how to reconcile it, he died in perfection, although some say he may not have lived in perfection.

The question here though is Sonia Gandhi, even in a war there is chivalry, even in a war, there are Bhai Kanhaiyas, its the same thing, in any case, who is to question the will of the creator, who is to question whether in years to come, the revelation of what has been done, and what each individuals role in that has done, or not done, does not come back to haunt people so much, that they wish they were dead.
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We are not Gurus, we are not gods, we are not even worthy enough to even understand what someone like Bandaji went through, not only the battles on the field, but in his head,

Another issue, kdsji, We would all be lying if we did not share your opinion in thought, we cannot help that, but sometimes some thoughts should be left up there, if you were to see an attractive woman, you would not announce it to all and sundry, would you?

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #15 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2011, 13:48 PM

Harry Ji wrote:....<<<<<

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Lots more than you think do share those thoughts...and its not cowardly not to express them or Bravado to express them ( as some kharkoo types seem to think)..but for now its better to keep them under cover...

kds1980 · #16 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2011, 17:29 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Kdsji,

I have been thinking a lot of Bandaji for a long time, he is a real hero of sikhism for me.

I often wonder whether Guruji knew what would happen after his death, did he really believe that Bandaji would calmly put right the wrongs, or did he know in his heart that all hell would break loose, only Guruji knows this, but I feel he must have an inkling.

Bandaji was not a guru, he was a man, a banda, whatever he did set the foundations for Maharaja Ranjit Singhji, he did make mistakes, and he did pay for them in the most awful way possible, he was a shinning example to us all about how easy it is to feel anger and ego, and how to reconcile it, he died in perfection, although some say he may not have lived in perfection.

The question here though is Sonia Gandhi, even in a war there is chivalry, even in a war, there are Bhai Kanhaiyas, its the same thing, in any case, who is to question the will of the creator, who is to question whether in years to come, the revelation of what has been done, and what each individuals role in that has done, or not done, does not come back to haunt people so much, that they wish they were dead.

We are not Gurus, we are not gods, we are not even worthy enough to even understand what someone like Bandaji went through, not only the battles on the field, but in his head,

Another issue, kdsji, We would all be lying if we did not share your opinion in thought, we cannot help that, but sometimes some thoughts should be left up there, if you were to see an attractive woman, you would not announce it to all and sundry, would you?

Harry ji

The question is not only about Banda only .Even many Sikhs that were close to Guru Gobind Singh were with Banda.The fact remain that after Guru Gobind singh ji much of Khalsa engaged in power struggle .was the Khalsa wrong in 18th century? Many of the muslim rulers of 18th century were as cruel or less cruel as they were in 17th or 16 th century so why Khalsa decided to capture power.Also why was the Sirhind the first target of Khalsa ?

No matter what people say in real world there are many things which people don't like to read but these things are necessary to survive .

There is famous quote "Raj bina naa Dharam chale Dharam bina sab dale male hain" many people say it is from Guru gobind singh but I don't find any evidence that it is from him but still this quote has the truth which is proven from history ,no religion survived without power, directly or indirectly people just assimilate into the religion which is holding the power

harry haller · #17 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2011, 19:32 PM

Kdsji

One simple quote for you, from the tenth master

""When all other means have failed, It is but lawful to take to the sword. ..."

When all other means have failed my dear brother, let us not judge ourselves by the past, or even 1984, the past has gone, it is just old video tape, our actions determine the future, life is like a game of chess, you can keep going until there is only 1 piece left on the board, or you can see what is going, accept the position you are in, and deal with it sensibly and humbly.

At this present time, have other means failed? are we in a war zone? no , we are not, so, if we were to bow to the tenth master and accept his words of wisdom, then there is no need to unsheath our swords just yet..

kds1980 · #18 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2011, 20:04 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Kdsji

One simple quote for you, from the tenth master

""When all other means have failed, It is but lawful to take to the sword. ..."

When all other means have failed my dear brother, let us not judge ourselves by the past, or even 1984, the past has gone, it is just old video tape, our actions determine the future, life is like a game of chess, you can keep going until there is only 1 piece left on the board, or you can see what is going, accept the position you are in, and deal with it sensibly and humbly.

At this present time, have other means failed? are we in a war zone? no , we are not, so, if we were to bow to the tenth master and accept his words of wisdom, then there is no need to unsheath our swords just yet..

Are Sikhs really following these words.Tell me is their any other mean left for the justice for 1984 victims?

don't want to say more as it could be against policy of forum