Report card for Indian Lions : Two down three in line.

vijaydeep Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 30-Jun-2006, 20:59 PM

Gurfateh

Das is pro theocracy.

But rather Hindutva is secular concept as nation and race or ethinic nationalism is worldly or secular thing.

If Hindus are exploited then it more due to weakness of Hindus and not only outsider but insider pseudo seculars also exploit Hindus.Thats is the mani reason of most the question you have rasied.

Coming to Christians and Muslims agreeing to savlation of non Belivers then the answer is big YES.

in Chirsitans we have orthodox like Greeks,Marthomities,Abisinains,Syrainas and some in Cathlocis also try to push in vetican that other faiths are part of plan for slavation of man.Problem is with protestants and counter protestant catholics.

Then in Islam we have Shias with Ahle Bait,and Sunnis with Ruh Al Kuddus mentailtiy.

Das just wants to put one thing here that spritual minded Muslims may help us against hell worthy Jehadis.
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In Past main reason for Sikh ruling Muslim majority Area and Conquering Afghans etc. was more due to the help prvided by Muslims themselves as often Communal minded fundmentialist person may try to bully fellow religeon man.Say Aurangzeeb did prosecuted sufis(Like Hazrat Sarmad Rahmat ul Alhe),Shias,Bohras among others and they also did help Hindus or Sikhs.both in Army of Guru Ji and Chhtrapati we had Muslim soldiers.Only difernt was that Muslims in Guru Jis arym became Sikhs more so while in Hindu Pad Padshahi due to secular nature did not tgried to convert them.thats also OK.

ceo_nikka · #12 (**permalink**) 05-Aug-2006, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rajkhalsa

Satsriakaalji Saadh Sangat,
Bhai Vijaydeepji...yes ..i do respect yor advice ...and i had this opportunity to listen to Premsinghji's lecture 2 years back on occasion of Ram Navami...if u know him or have any of his contacts do let me know...and das will be honoured if das can be of any help to you...

Akhand Bharat is no doubt a dream we all should cherish....however Dharti Mata ki Jai is possible ...and we all can make it possible with the Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam ...and Sakal Jagat mo KHALSA gaaje ....Jagai Hindu ..turak tund tund bhaaje...
You and I can belive that all human race is One ..and all of the Marags are part of Sanatan sikhi....but have u had any interactions with any moslem or christians who are practicing...that is ...a 5 time namaazi or a mass attending christian...????

I had seen this programme ..a debate on TV...where there were representatives frm Islam and Church...and a bajrang dal spokesman... Professor Shri Surender Jain...He time and again questioned...if the representatives of islam and the church were ready to belive that Moksha(salvation) can be acheived through all religions the bajrangis were ready to eat sevais with them in eid..and also share the cake with christian brothers....during christmas....!!!!
Belive me saadh sangat....THEY WERE NOT READY TO AGREE.....even for brotherhood of all mankind....because the truth, Vijaydeepji is ...THE CHURCH AND THE MOSQUE...they run a market....spread the religion...by word or by sword.....!
If any one of us has heard...the missionaries..he can easiliy understand what das would like to say....We are going on propagating... 'EESHWAR ..ALLAH TERO NAAM...SAB SO SANMATI DE BHAGVAAN' ...and time and again ISLAM had raised its ugly head....be it in HINDUSTAN.. or America....
Vijaydeepji if Are you a Secularist ? if yes, Answer the follwoing questions?
1.
There are 52 Muslim countries. Show one Muslim country which provides HAJ subsidies

2.

Show One Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in India.

3.
Show one Muslim country, which has a Non-Muslim as its president or Prime Minister.

4.
SHOW ONE MULLAH OR MAULAVI WHO DECLARED A FATWA AGAINST TERRORISTS.

5.
Hindu Majority,Bihar Maharastra, ,Pondichery, etc. have elected Muslims as CMs. CAN YOU EVER IMAGINE A HINDU BECOMEING CM OF MUSLIM-MAJORITY J&K ?

6.
If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrassas are thriving ? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road ? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loud speakers that there is no no God except ALLHA.?

7.
When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a Song, why should not Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya,mathura and Kashi ?

8.
Why Temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, when they are free to spend their money in any way they llike ?

9.
In What way , J & K is different from Maharastra, TamilNadu or UtterPradesh, to have Article 370 ?

10.
Why Gandhiji Objected to the decision of the Cabinet and insisted that Somnath Temple should be constructed out of public fund, not government funds. When in January 1948

he Pressurized Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of the Mosques of Delhis at governemnt expenses ?

11.
Why Gandhiji supported Khilafat movement(nothing to do with our freedom movement) and what in turn he got ?

12.
If Muslims and Christians are Minorities in Maharastra, UP , Bihar etc.., Are Hindus not minorities in J & K, Nagaland, Arunachala Pradesh, Meghalaya etc..? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states ?

13.
Why post - Godhra is blown out of proportions, when no-one talks of the ETHNIC CLEANSING OF 4 LAKH HINDUS FROM KASHMIR ?

14.
In 1947, when India was partitioned, Hindu population in Pakistan was about 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu Population in East Pakistan ( Now Bangladesh ) was 30%. Today it is about 7%. What happened to the missing Hindus ? why such things occured with them ? Do Hindus have Human rights ? In contrast, In India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% in 1951 to 14% today; where as Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to 85% in 1951.

15.
Do you consider that – Sanskrit/Gurumukhi is communal and Urdu is Secular, Mandir/Gurudwara is communal and Masjid is secular, Sadhu/Sant Is communal and Imam is secular, BJP is communal and Muslim league is Secular, Pravinbhai Togdia is communal and Imam Bukhari is Secular,and atlast Vande mataram is communal And Allah – o – Akbar is secular ?

16.
When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran , Why Hindu cannot teach Gita or Ramayana or Guru Granth Sahib? if Some Institutions dare to do it, why those are labeled as Communal ?

17.
Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a trustee of the famous Sidhi Vinayak Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai; Can a Hindu - say Laloo or Mulayam - ever become a trustee of any Masjid or Madrassas ?

18.
Dr. Pravin Togadia has been arrested many times on flimsy Grounds. Has the Sahi imam of jama Masjid, Ahmad Bukhari been arrested For claiming to be an ISI agent and Advocating partition of Bharat ?

19.
When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu/Sikh pilgrims To Amarnath, kailash Mansarovar are taxed ?

20.
Can this happen anywhere, except in a Hindu majority Nation – Bharat ?

WAHEGURUJI KA KHALSA....WAHEGURUJI KI FATEH...

EK DIN HUM HONGE..SAU(100) ME SE NINYANVE(99) MUSALMAN..TAB KAUN KAHEGA..
MERA BHARAT MAHAAN ????

Brother, I really agree with your views. I'm born and brought up in India, having friends all across India, recently moved to US. Only after coming to US I felt how strongly people here feel about a separate homeland in India?

They are not ready to debate this. If you are not for khalistan then you are not sikh. These are the words I heard. And when I ask that how many of you are really going to stay in that Khalistan, then there reply sounds like as if they are gifting something to somebody else.

In my personal views, instead of breaking things and then finding satisfaction in it, why can't we get united? What Indra Gandhi did to Sikhs or for that matter what congress did to Sikhs in India cannot be answered by division. The real show of strength will be if we are at the helm of affairs of this country.

So WHY CAN'T KHALSA RULE on the whole India???

Under khalsa rule democratic structure of this country can be kept absolutly intact. Thats the kind of universal appeal out guru's gave us.

The questions we Sikhs need to answer is,

-why we are not able to convince our own sikh youth on importance of Khalsa way of life??
(As a sidenote I never saw anybody in India making fun of a khalsa. Most of the jokes are targetted to sahejdhari Sikh.)

-why we are we not able to bring in kabir panthies, followers of Naam dev to fold of Sikhi??

-why are we NOT spreading outside of boundaries of Punjab??
Guru Nanak Dev Ji visited almost whole India. He gave us
lead but then we never took the challenge to accomplish the task he started. Most of the India is still stuck in ritualistic living. That indicates our failure in propogating the message of Guru Nanak in India (forget abt whole world).

I can tell you with proud that once one Sharmaji told me that he has no problem if Sikhs take control of this country but he will be ashmed if Muslims run affairs of this country.

Just a thot.

hps62 · #13 (**permalink**) 07-Aug-2006, 21:35 PM

Dear BRothers
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8109

SSAKAL

First Reinforcement from the Sikh brother is in here to help their Hindu brothers who shall teach them the art of how to hold on to their land from the Islamic silent invasion.

Recently there was a call to make UP a Muslim majority state from 30 % to 60 % .

Imagine the treatment you will get some thing like what Kashmiri pandit get in the Kashmir valley.

Please remember this is only embedding to shore up your philosophy and not an substitute to the defence of your own land by you yourself.

Bulk of SIkh are now enjoying a comfortable time in the western civilization and are not much interested in UP.

So take it as a gift and cherish from the Sikh philosophy.

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A Gurdwara in Memory of Bhagat Kabir

Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandak Committee will build a Gurdwara in Gorkhpur, Uttar Pardesh, in memory of Bhagat Kabir in a movement to create monuments of those Bhagats whose Bani is included in Guru Granth Sahib.
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The plan was announced by committee president Avtar Singh at a news conference following a meeting of executive committee at Gurdwara Dukhniwaran Sahib. Singh said a five-member the committee was constituted for the purpose of purchasing land at the birthplace of Bhagat Kabir.

Note: Report by Gagan Deep Singh, SikhNN, Patiala.

love from the Khalsa Brother

hps62

Huck_Finn · #14 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2006, 17:26 PM

funny

incredibly funny topic

manmitchera · #15 (**permalink**) 13-Oct-2006, 21:57 PM

hello( sorry i neeed to post 10 posts b4 i can post a link)