First five Hindus were dressed as first Five dears “ Panj Pyaare”. We are hearing from the last so many years that Sikhism is in danger due to hindus, the group that is promoting such type of rumors are spoiling the history by doing so.
when an orator/ preacher speaks on the subject in clear wordings he describe the hindus community as the enemies of Sikh. When for the first time hatred started the main issue was the Brahanism and those preachers most of the times spoke against the Brahmins and use foul language. We forgot that many Brahmins adopted sikh religion, on the complaints of Kashmiri Pandits Guru Teg Bahadur sacrificed himself those pandits christened to Sikhism. In Kashmir especially in the area of Punch the whole of the population of Kashmiri Brahmins has been christened to Sikhism, we should not forget that the all granthis (Preachers) of Darbaar sahib used to come from this area and those were Brahmins. The head granthi of Darbar Sahib Gyani Bhpinder Singh was Brahmin. So many Brahmins became sikh scholars and warriors Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31555
Sikhism religion is over and above the caste based division, then on which ground our leaders are condemning to Brahmins. There remained so many traitors in sikh community, whether we can say all the Sikhs are bad. My first appeal is that whether we should use Gangu word or we should use Gangu servant. I had read an article a long time ago, in which the story was told that the Mughal emperor had given bounty to Gangu in U.P. The Emperor allotted a large portion of land and so he settled in Allahabad.
Emperor Jahangir had ordered for the sacrifice of Guru Arjun Dev ji. This tale is recorded in Tujke Jahangiri. And anybody can read it. But everybody implicate Chandu in the story and charges are made on him and the mughal government is being treated as fault-free. We ourselves are responsible to change the facts of history. Sometimes back someone has written that Auranazeb had no knowledge about the sacrifice of Guru ji. We should try to understand all these conspiracies.
The second part of the article will be uploaded tomorrow.
Rajneesh Madhok
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Re: First five hindus were dressed as First five dears "Panj Pyare"
rajnesh ji
I have two quick takes on the situation.
The Brahmins once taking khande de pahul were no longer Brhamins but Khalsa - a knighthood that eradicated sense of caste permanently or should have. This was and is deeply threatening to anyone whose economic and political survival and continuance depends on their status. And more importantly believes their status is god-given. This had to be threatening in India when people searched feverishly to survive Mughal oppression and had made social bargains with the Mughal rulers to keep their traditions at any cost. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31555
The other issue is more of a today's phenomenon. Political interests will not let go of the idea that Sikhs are Hindus. This over and again cuts through the opportunity for political and economic self-determination of Sikhs who just don't see things that way. Sikhs see the post Independence history as one agreement after another betrayed in the interests of Bharat, a nation that will not even acknowledge their separate identity. And this they do in a kind of conspiracy with some other Sikhs!!!!!! who seek accommodations rather than identity.
This is one of the major reasons why the appearance or Bana of Sikhs is so controversial -- once it is gone -- who is a Sikh becomes a very difficult question to answer. Thus, the hard feelings.
Re: First five hindus were dressed as First five dears "Panj Pyare"
To add further, the people from Gangu servant's clan setteled on the banks of a Nehar or canal near Allaahbad in UP and hence, derived the clan 's name of Nehru (people living on the bank of nehar). from this clan only our so called great PMs had come to rule us for ever ( I should say so as it looks eminent now).:thumbsupp:
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Re: First five hindus were dressed as First five dears "Panj Pyare"
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To add further, the people from Gangu servant's clan setteled on the banks of a Nehar or canal near Allaahbad in UP and hence, derived the clan 's name of Nehru (people living on the bank of nehar). from this clan only our so called great PMs had come to rule us for ever ( I should say so as it looks eminent now).:thumbsupp:
Hardip ji
I am not sure if I am on the right track. But Gangu? Was this not the cook in the house of Guru Gobind Singh who betrayed Mata Guruji and Guru Gobind Singh's little boys. It led to their gruesome deaths.
These memories harden in the heart. It leads to anger which leads to tragedy. Our thoughts and feelings should be different, I know. Sikh history is a history of betrayals on betrayals, However, the betrayal then and now can't be that easily erased.
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Re: First five hindus were dressed as First five dears "Panj Pyare"
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Hardip ji
I am not sure if I am on the right track. But Gangu? Was this not the cook in the house of Guru Gobind Singh who betrayed Mata Guruji and Guru Gobind Singh's little boys. It led to their gruesome deaths.
These memories harden in the heart. It leads to anger which leads to tragedy. Our thoughts and feelings should be different, I know. Sikh history is a history of betrayals on betrayals, However, the betrayal then and now can't be that easily erased.
Confirmed, he is the same person.
To authanticate my above post, I am pasting below an article from SPN itself confirming the facts. (Probablywas Giani jee's reply to some ones post)
Gangu to Nehru
No Sir! It is not a myth. After Gangu handed over the Sahibzadey and Mata Guzri Ji to Mughals, he became the target of Sikhs. Baba Banda Singh's soldiers came and dragged him and killed him. His wife went to Delhi with her sons to plead to the emperor that she was suffering after doing such a great service to the crown. She couldn't go back to Sirhind because the Nabob was routed by Banda Singh.
So the Emperor gave them a Zagir or Lordship over land by the Canal [Nehar]. Therefore those Gangu’s family and tribesmen or Pundits adopted their TITLE name received from Mughal King of Delhi - NEHRU= It meant THOSE OF THE CANAL LORDSHIP. There is no other family with the same surname
There is no other explanation for those Gangu family or Kashmiri pundits to have last name as NEHRU and residing happily from Mughal times in Delhi since than. Remember that many of these poor Kashmiri pundits were hunted by Mughals for conversion to Islam and than our Ninth guru ji had sacrificed him for them in Delhi.
The above story was narrated in a book from a conversation between Jawaharlal and his father Motilal Nehru. This was when; Jawaharlal was arrested fighting amongst Sikhs against at Jaito in Punjab. He asked his son “If he was insane. Because when these Sikhs will find out YOUR history you will be sorry. So make sure that you destroy them before they destroy you”.
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Re: First Five Hindus Were Dressed as First Five Dear Ones "The Panj Pyare"!
Guru Nanak’s religion was for all. He wanted to root out the hatred existing between the rulers and the ruled. He declared that there was only one God, and all human beings were His children. So, in his teachings he preached the principle of fatherhood of God and brotherhood of man. Guruji addressed all male members as Bhai and every woman as Bebe.
As per Gurus teachings He told that it did not matter if God was called Allah or Khuda by Muslims and Ram or Parmeshwar by Hindus. Father, daddy and Papa meant the same person. The reality is not in name but in action.
Dear Narayanjot kaur ji,
Now I come to the point. I hope in the Preface described in the beginning I tried to elaborate that Guru Sahib tried to explained us that there is no caste but all of us are human beings. But for our own benefits the politicians and preachers started the division of the society to meet their own goals. The status of a person is God given. I agree to you. Everyone knows the role of Mughal rulers and what cost we have to pay during their tenure. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31555
Now we come to today’s phenomenon. I don’t like to elaborate the chapter whether Sikhs are Hindus or not? Because this is a stale chapter and there will be so many controversies on the subject.
Kindly elaborate the lines which you have written, I could not understand what you mean by these lines.
“Sikhs see the post independence history as one agreement after another betrayed in the interests of Bharat, a nation that will not even acknowledge their separate identity.”
This is a hard fact. When a Labour leader protest and ultimately the Factory’s production has been shut down. The conspiracy is being held between labour leader and the Mill owner. The Labour leader encash his own interests and mar the interests of thousands of workers. This is the tale which is being shown in Bollywood movies from so many decades.
The appearance or “Bana” of Sikhs is considered a lot than his following to Sikhism or the teachings of the Gurus. Will you consider that the person who has appearance of Sikh is the only Sikh according to Guruji’s teachings.
But there is similarity between Gangu and the people those settled on the banks of Nehar or canal near Allahabad in UP and I admit the people who ruled India most of the time belong to the family of Gangu Shah. This is a hearsay. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31555
But I could not find the foolproof to this chain. Narayanjot Kaurji Gangu was the banker I think. Kindly elaborate the history. What is the connection of Gangu with Guruji and what is the role of Gangu Shah in the gruesome deaths of the tender children of Guruji.
The memories should be elaborated as the facts are harden. No doubt it is a matter of great anger and it created a big tragedy. But kindly provide me the role of Gangu in the gruesome murder. Our thoughts and feelings may be different and secondly if we discuss on the subject it will lead to another story.
If you say that Sikh history is the history of betrayals, it is a hard fact and in history you see the history is being written in favour of the winner. The writer always try to show that the loser was the traitor/ betrayed person.
Rajneesh Madhok
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Re: First Five Hindus Were Dressed as First Five Dear Ones "The Panj Pyare"!
Gangu Shah and Gangu Brahmin are two different characters.Gangu shah was at the time of third Guru While It is beleived that Gangu Brahmin betrayed Guru gobind singh ji's son. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31555 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31555
but many historians even doubt the existence of Gangu Brahmin as some historical sources say that there was no such character as Gangu Brahmin
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Re: First Five Hindus Were Dressed as First Five Dear Ones "The Panj Pyare"!
Hardip Singh ji, The story of Gangu to Nehru is remarkable. Rajnessh ji I cannot respond right away. Some of your questions require thought. I don't want to dash something off and miss your point.
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Guru Amar Das the third of the Ten Gurus of Sikhism became Guru at the age of 73 following the footsteps of Sri Guru Angad Dev ji, who left for his heavenly abode at the age of 48 years. Guru Amar Dass ji was born in 1479. He was only 10 years younger to Guru Nanak Dev ji. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31555
Guru Amar Dass ji was the eldest son of Sri Tej Bhan ji a farmer and trader.
Mata Lachmi Ji was his devoted mother.
He was a shopkeeper and lived in village called Basarke which is near Amritsar.
The third Sikh Guru was married to Mata Mansa Deviji.
Guru ji had four children:-Two sons named Bhai Mohan and Bhai Mohri
Two daughters named Bibi Daniji and Bibi Bhaniji---Younger daughter Bibi Bhaniji was married to Bhai Jetha who became fourth Sikh Guru, Guru Ram Dass.
Guru AmarDass Ji was a very religious Vaishanavite Hindu who spent most of his life performing all of the ritual pilgrimages and fasts of a devout Hindu. One day Bhai Amardas Sahib ji heard some hymns of Sri Guru nanak Devji being sung by Bibi Amroji. The daughter of Sri Guru Angad Dev ji. The second Sikh Guruji. Bibi Amro ji was married to Bhai Sahib’s brother, Bhai Manak Chand ji’s son who was called Bhai Jasso ji. Bhai Sahib also had a younger brother called Bhai Ishar Das who had a son called Bhai Gurdas ji. Who was a superb poet and scholar of comparative religion who would later go on become the scribe of the first edition of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Now I come to the point of Historyas per Hindu mythology:
Kumbhakaran, Vibhishan and Indrajeet-----all of them did the right thing. Kumbhakaran stood by his brother, though he tried to dissuade his elder brother from continuing the war.
Indrajeet—supported his father and though he was convinced that Ram and Lakshman could be defeated he realized the truth in the end and tried to convince his father.
Both Kumbhkaran and Indrajeet went to war knowing very well that they would not return just to remain loyal to Ravan.
Vibhishan--- would have done the same as Kumbhakaran if Ravan had not kicked him out. He would have continuously pestered Ravan to release Sita and apologize to Ram. But he would have never left him if Ravan had not thrown him out. In this way what Vibhishan did was also correct. And by aiding a person who was fighting for a righteous cause, he followed the path of Dharma.
There are two theories whether the role of Vibhishan was right or wrong, whether he was traitor As Vibhishan was a great soul so he helped his GOD lord VISHNU in his mission of ending all monsters on earth and as Vibhishan followed the footsteps of his father Rishi Vishrawa, he was a true Brahmin, so he had all the great qualities. In other words we can say Vibishanji was a great soul. His sacrifice cannot be described in words. Kanwardeepji and Narayanjot kaurji, I tried to elaborated the subject and tried to explain the history of 3rd Guruji. In the history of Sikhism I could not find the chracter of Gangu Brahmin. If any member has having the knowledge about the chracter of Gangu Brahmin kindly elaborate. The discussion has started from Gangu and reached to Nehru. Narayanjot Kaurji I myself could not find the chain between Gangu and Nehru. The chain can be described by the historian or the person who had made research on the subject. I wanted clarifications on your points due to my doubts on the subject. From the above-mentioned factors we can’t describe anybody as traitor without going in deep about the subject matter. Secondly the history of Sikhism is as elaborated in the beginning of my post. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31555 Regards, Rajneesh madhok
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