Sehajdari Sikhs as SGPC Voters

Any person who beleives in and practices Sikhism should ultimately aim to be complete Sikh along with the external symbols. It may take him a while to achieve this objective but he must continuosly endeavor to be on that path. He must be respectful to the Sikh Gurus and to Guru Granth Sahib and not say or do anything that lowers their dignity. He can ask questions with an intent to gain knowledge but not with disrespectful intentions.

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Their are any number of persons on this path especially Sindhis and Multanis and many have ultimately adopted compete Sikhi and taken Amrit.
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Bhai Chamanjeet Singh ji Lal (earlier Bhai Chamanlal) is a shining example of the same.

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Guru Gobind Singh ji firmly institutionalized Sikh religion by giving it the external manifestations. That was the starting point by which Sikhs could confidently say that "Hum Hindu nahin hai!" The setting up of the instituition of Khalsa has been by and large resented bythe non Sikh population of India because now calling the Sikhs as sect of Hiduism was becoming untenable.
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This year the Sikh educational instituitions had issued strict instructions that only those persons who kept complete kesh could claim admission under ther Sikh quota. Even girls who plucked their eyebrows were not admitted under this quota. This was challenged in Punjab and Haryana High court. After prolonged and detailed arguments, the court upheld the contention of the institutes.

There is no doubt that many Sehajdari Sikhs have worked very hard and contributed a lot to spreading the message of gurus. But a majority are equally devoted to Hindu Philosophy as well. So they follow dual religions. But when it comes to declaring their religion in official govt. documents many prefer to call themselves as Hindus. The Sindhis in particular do not celebrate Guru Gobind Singh jis Gurupurab.

Whenever we talk about Sikhs, the immediate impression that comes to mind is that of turbaned man supporting unshorn hair and beard. So let it remain that way.

Sikh religion is devoted to spreading the message of the great Gurus. It is not in the business of actively seeking conversions to its faith. This is purely voluntary. So it welcomes all irrespective of their religion or caste to imbibe the Gurus phlosophies into their lives so that they become good human beings irrespective whether they are Sikhs or not.

However to be called a Sikh, one must be devoted only to Guru Granth Sahib and have the external manifestations of Sikh.

This is my humble view and uncomplicated view. I do not have the talent or ability for a learned debate on the subject.

the term practising and nonpractising Sikhs needs to be defined better, is a practising Sikh just someone who wears the five K's, I have been to the gudwara and many of the sikhs there where hair cutters, no turban, does this mean that they arent practising Sikhs. The Amrit Sikhs insist they are doing it right and insist on quoting the tenth Guru ji as the fruit of the other nine, when in actual fact the real fruit as per the tenth Guru ji is the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji the eleven and final Guru ji, Was it not Guru Gobind Singh ji who said that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was the eternal Guru and that it governed all spiritual matters and that the Akal Takhat was for all none spiritual matters. So I lead my life as per the orders of Guru Gobind Singh ji and follow the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. No mention of five K's or the need of a dastaar in there for my spirituality, so I guess that by the definition of other judging Sikhs I'm a non practising Sikh. And it appears that those who have the Sikh external image ajudge themselves better than I, I live my life according to the eternal Guru the true fruit of the preceding ten, if Amrit and the five K's are the fruit then it isnt ripe as it is these Sikh who judge themselves better than others, Wear your Dastaar with pride, look like the rich and holy, judge me all you like, You have your image, your fruit, I am humble enough to accept you are more a Sikh than I. When Guru Nanak ji gave the turban it was to symbolise equality and now the turban wearers think that they are better, Looks to me that the Amrit Sikhs are becoming very westernised in the fact that image is every thing. Back to page one of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for me must of misunderstood the meaning of equality and how image affects spirituality, Pity no ones invented a time machine we could go back and asks the Guru jis for the answer to this question, till they do we can either follow whats actually written by the Guru jis or what we think they may have written or said, Practising or non practising whos right whos wrong we'll never know till its to late will we
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Love for all
Tony
No intention to offend just saying as i see it, Sorry

Tony Ji, unfortunately too many taliban types of closed minds abound...holier than thou types ( BOTH..clean shaven and amrtidharee groups have these Talibans/closed minds). No sense of give and take..forgiveness, humility...acceptance..... instead of tolerance. I have nothing against a sikh who wants to remain a kindergarten student all his life and die in kindergarten..and similarly have not much respect for a bhekhi sikh who wears his kakaars on his sleeve either...SIKHI IS PRACTICAL GURBANI...not theory.

Gyani ji
Could you tell me where you got your qualifications in Sikhi, what course did you take and what was the examining board.
Have you ever to seen inside heavens gates.
Does having the Five K's make you fully experienced and qualified to be a Sikh, in which case i've seen some fully qualified five year olds, who cant even read yet, Doesnt add much wieght to the qualification does it,
You have posted while i was writing this responce Gyani ji and say "you have nothing against someone who wishes to stay in kindergarten all his life and say similarly you have no respect for the Sikh who wears his Five K's on his sleave", does this mean you have no respect for the non bana wearing kindergarten Sikh, just wondering as I find this lack of respect very anti sikhi, Could it be that you are superiour to me, a better sikh may be, Delusions of grandieur spring to mind
Tony

Gyani ji
one other thing when does one get out of kindergarten and graduate, as graduation implies you are fully knowledgable about a subject and only need to gain practical experience, what is practical Gurbani, I thought is was the demonstrating of whats written in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, yet some of your posts on this subject seem to lack the equality aspect and the humility all are better aspect of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, May be you have graduated to quickly or maybe you have forgottenthe basic's, come back to kindergarten all are welcome and we can learn together.
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Tony

Tony Ji..
I havent graduated at all..in fact although i began to "practise" gurmatt at a very early age..( being born in a tenth generation Staunch Sikh/Amrtidharee family)..and practised LIVING GURBANI from school going age..I only deemed myslef fit to be admitted to KHALSA at age 55+..a little over 5 years ago...so as an Amrtidharee I am only 5..while as an Akhand Pathee/Gurbani Teacher/religious instructor/Punjabi language teacher etc i am more than 35 years experience...so as a 5 year old i am still in kindergarten.
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I MADE the Conscious decision to take Khandey batte dee Pahul..after having read and vichareed the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for more than 35 years...under very able teachers, my parents, and having studied for the Gyani Course at Punajb Uni Chandigarh in the early 1970s..so YES I ahve travelled along this road for a long time...and am still travelling...you a re welcome to be my fellow traveller...from Kindergarten to University Grad is a FAR OFF process...i have just begun my journey...

Thank you Gyani ji it would be my pleasure in joining you. Must remind you though I'm some thirty odd yrs behind you in experience and still struggling to learn panjabi, I have no able teachers just the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as my guide, please be patient and I might just make it out of kindergarten.
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Tony

Tony Ji,
NO Problems..we BOTH catch hold of GURU JIS little finger...just DONT LET GO. HE LEADS..we follow..unflinching..unquestioningly..in LOVE.