Saying that, some of the most coolest Sikhs I've met come from Birmingham. They are mad up there, some of them. Right up for it......lol

Mind you that was a good few years ago, don't know what it is like now.

Most Sikhs are cool and Gurudwara shoul be an enjoyable experience....unfortunately it is not enjoyable in that place namely because of the attitude of people at that place.

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"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

I've never been in that Gurdwara, I must say. Met a few guys from Birmingham though.

I have heard that they have a very narrow minded view of Sikhi. This was from someone whode father was affiliated to the place.

I think it may be heavily influenced by African Tarkhan mentality. I'm just against those people who promote their version of Sikhi which totally plays down any militancy and warriorship which is a BIG part of our heritage and was critical to our survival. I'm pretty sure it will be again in this shakey world of ours....lol

They don't treat Monay very well...on one occaision there I witnessed:

1) People shouting at Mona's who had had the ordasity to start helping distributing langaar. These guys basically started saying they were impure.

2) Man shouting at poor young girl becaue her Chunni had slipped off her head in the Langaar hall.

3) Picture of their Baba in the hallway, and yet they refuse to have pictures of the Guru's. Note that I am against having any pictures of Guru's or Baba's in Gurudwara's, bar in areas such as libraries in the Gurudwara for educational purposes.

I wouldn't say that either. I have met Jatts, Khatri's, Chimba's etc from Kenya and they exactly the same mentality.....so I don't think its an exclusive Tarkhan thing.

My mother is from Kenya and their side of the family from Kenya is pretty militant. I have met Kenyan Tarkhan's here in the UK who are very nice guys..........and pretty darn tough. A chap I know, his dad was from Kenya, and he was the first Sikh soldier in the RAF Regiment (back in the 70's)....surname Sehmi, I think.

I think these guys at this place are just messed up,........their Baba.....Mr Dhanjal, saw decedance around him in Kenya, since the Kenyan Sikh's aquired wealth fast. While our people in India were travelling by Horse and Cart, Kenyan Sikh's were driving a Mercedes. Many of these guys drank........Mr Dhanjal apparently indulged in such activities (I maybe mistaken).......but saw the error of his ways and his reaction was extreme. He banned meat which he associated with alcohol. Ordered a strict code of conduct. It was probably what they (the Kenyan Sikh's needed at that time).

He also saw the Guruwara's splitting...fight's between Jatt's and Tarkhan's caused a seperate Rangarhia Gurudwara to form, excluding all caste's bar Tarkhan's (Lohar's etc). Mr Dhanjal probably thought he could unite these factions under a Sant/Baba following. He succeeded to an extent.

They are however, far too strict and dogmatic in their approach. A debate with a chap called HarjiSingh (Main Page) and some other fellows, which I witnessed revealed to me the fanaticism of such people. It is not healthy.

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

Don't get me wrong Randip, one of THE toughest blokes I know is one from an African Tarkhan background. It is something else to see him knocking out guys twice his size, two at a time..... lol

But even he says the same thing that in general there is an excessive conservativeness in this section of Sikh society compared to others. I'm not saying that there aren't strong guys there but these are relative exceptions.

You can tell when you sometimes go to a "Ramgarhia" Gurdwara and then a "Jat" one (yeah I know it shouldn't be but its reality right now). The latter usually have pictures of fighters on the wall and regular rousing dhadhi whilst the latter most often doesn't at all.

Plus I really wish I knew what happened in Africa to turn Jats and Tarkhans against each other so much, they REALLY hate each other from there! I don't feel the animosity is as strong between those people direct from the Panjab.

all this has nothing to do with SIKHI...I have more Monay friends..minus KESH/DASTAAR..BUT with Dhillon/Sidhu/SidhuBrar/Gill etc FIRMLY GLUED as last name....How much of a Sikh was Kimveer GILL...who made headlines by gunning down students in a school in canada recently..all this is a PUNJABIAT THING...and as long as we have PUNJABIAT we will never lose this...just looka t the GORAY SIKHS..ever seen anyone with Gill dhillon etc in his/her name ?? Thats becasue they are just SIKHS without the Punjabiat baggage..

Gyani Jarnail Singh

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Giani Ji,

I hate caste too but some aspects of Punjabiat also provides the quam with warriors. When such blood isn't managed properly with Sikhi, it often goes on to do stupid stuff, hence Kimveer and all the other dumbass violent drug dealing Punjabi thugs out their in Canada and UK.

YouTube - Sikh Equality


I thought this link was slightly funny. Sort of relates to what we were talking about earlier.

Gurfateh

Had Punjabiat or Bihariat had anything to do with Warrier concept of Panth.Then why always Punjab regimanets of Pakistan is full deserters?

why Hindu Punjabi tends to stay away in living remotest corner of India,if there is least of compatriot and area is secluded.Sikhs have no such traits.

Vijaydeep singh ji,
funny you should bring this up..the Punjab lands in Pakistan are the BEST...when SIKHS cultivated them..Gold was coming out..now Pak Punjab is way behind indian Punjab ( whose lands are third rate when compared to the ones in pak Punjab )... Sikh Punjabis in the Indian Army gave such a crushing defeat to the Pak Punjabis in 1965, and 1971 wars...in all these cass PUNJABIAT is there..But one major difference..RELIGION.

2. Before Guru nanak ji-Guru Gobind Singh ji came on the scene..the very same Punjabiat...were "MOK MAARDEH" at the mere sight of the Mughals...they didnt even know how or dared to cary a kitchen knife...then they not only carried swords, but rode horses to defeat the mughal armies and welded shut the Darrah Khyber...what did Guru sahibs CHANGE ?? ONLY RELIGION..all the other Punjabiat remained solidly the same...

Gyani jarnail Singh

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