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Das has seen the 325 page of offical versioan of Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji.

That part has no Devi at all there but is dealing with Krishna Avtar or incarnation of so called mythical lord Krishna.
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Das request you to visit gobindsadan.org and there we have in libray section the whole of the Dasham Granth but perhpas without the last part of Asphotak Kavya after Hiqayats.
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If you could find those verse regarding Devi you can post that link and das will explain that to you.

Thanks for the kind words.
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Well Thanks a lot.

Here Guru wants to teach us that when even a Lady as per old legend can destory much more mighty demons than Hindu Paharis or Muslims Moghuls at that time so why can not we fight our foes with full zeal.

You have asked that

ਦੁਰਗਾ ਪਾਠ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਸਭੇ ਪਉੜੀਆਂ ॥
दुरगा पाठ बणाइआ सभे पउड़ीआं ॥
All the Pauris (stanza) of this DURGA PATH (The text about the exploits of Durga) have been composed;

ਫੇਰ ਨ ਜੂਨੀ ਆਇਆ ਜਿਨ ਇਹ ਗਾਇਆ ॥੫੫॥
फेर न जूनी आइआ जिन इह गाइआ ॥५५॥
And that person who sings it, will not take birth again.55.

Weather it is against Gurmat or Not and weather it is an attempt of Brahimns to crrupt us.

Here term Sing is used that means that after someone reads and Sings then will may not be reborn.

Here we need to understand that Guru is trying to let this thing be understood to us and singing will be only of such use if we understand that.

And that comes just from the start of the same

Das would like you to see the start of the same chapter ie 5th athe link

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=297

As you have given the end of it in your post.
ਮੁਖ ਭਾਗ 5
मुख भाग 5
CHAPTER 5

ਚੰਡੀ ਦੀ ਵਾਰ
चंडी दी वार
NAME OF THE BANI.

ੴ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ॥
ੴ वाहिगुरू जी की फतह ॥
The Lord is one and the Victory is of the Lord.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥
स्री भगउती जी सहाइ ॥
May SRI BHAGAUTI JI (The Sword) be Helpful.

ਵਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ॥ ਪਾਤਸਾਹੀ ੧੦ ॥
वार स्री भगउती जी की ॥ पातसाही १० ॥
The Heroic Poem of Sri Bhagauti Ji (Goddess Durga). (By) Th Tenth Kingg (Guru).

ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਕੈ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਈਂ ਧਿਆਇ ॥
प्रिथम भगौती सिमरि कै गुरु नानक लईं धिआइ ॥
In the beginning I remember Bhagauti, the Lord (Whose symbol is the sword and then I remember Guru Nanak.

ਫਿਰ ਅੰਗਦ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਅਮਰਦਾਸੁ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੈ ਹੋਈਂ ਸਹਾਇ ॥
फिर अंगद गुर ते अमरदासु रामदासै होईं सहाइ ॥
Then I remember Guru Arjan, Guru Amar Das and Guru Ram Das, may they be helpful to me.
http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=298
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ਅਰਜਨ ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨੋ ਸਿਮਰੌ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਹਰਿਰਾਇ ॥
अरजन हरिगोबिंद नो सिमरौ स्री हरिराइ ॥
Then I remember Guru Arjan, Guru Hargobind and Guru Har Rai.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਜਿਸ ਡਿਠੇ ਸਭਿ ਦੁਖਿ ਜਾਇ ॥
स्री हरि किशन धिआईऐ जिस डिठे सभि दुखि जाइ ॥
(After them) I remember Guru Har Kishan, by whose sight all the sufferings vanish.

ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸਿਮਰਿਐ ਘਰ ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਆਵੈ ਧਾਇ ॥
तेग बहादर सिमरिऐ घर नउ निधि आवै धाइ ॥
Then I do remember Guru Tegh Bahadur, though whose Grace the nine treasures come running to my house.

ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਹੋਇ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੧॥
सभ थाईं होइ सहाइ ॥१॥
May they be helpful to me everywhere.1.

ਪਉੜੀ ॥
पउड़ी ॥
PAURI

ਖੰਡਾ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਸੈਸਾਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
खंडा प्रिथमै साज कै जिन सभ सैसारु उपाइआ ॥
At first the Lord created the double-edged sword and then He created the whole world.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇ ਬਣਾਇਆ ॥
ब्रहमा बिसनु महेस साजि कुदरति दा खेलु रचाइ बणाइआ ॥
He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and then created the play of Nature.

ਸਿੰਧ ਪਰਬਤ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਥੰਮ੍ਹਾ ਗਗਨਿ ਰਹਾਇਆ ॥
सिंध परबत मेदनी बिनु थम्हा गगनि रहाइआ ॥
He created the oceans, mountains and the earth made the sky stable without columns.

ਸਿਰਜੇ ਦਾਨੋ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਦੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥
सिरजे दानो देवते तिन अंदरि बादु रचाइआ ॥
He created the demons and gods and caused strife between them.

ਤੈ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ ਦੈਤਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥
तै ही दुरगा साजि कै दैता दा नासु कराइआ ॥
O Lord! By creating Durga, Thou hast caused the destruction of demons.

ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਰਾਮ ਲੈ ਨਾਲ ਬਾਣਾ ਦਹਸਿਰੁ ਘਾਇਆ ॥
तैथों ही बलु राम लै नाल बाणा दहसिरु घाइआ ॥
Rama received power from Thee and he killed Ravana with arrows.

ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਲੈ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੀ ਪਕੜਿ ਗਿਰਾਇਆ ॥
तैथों ही बलु क्रिसन लै कंसु केसी पकड़ि गिराइआ ॥
Krishna received power from Thee and he threw down Kansa by catching his hair.

Quote:
ਬਡੇ ਬਡੇ ਮੁਨਿ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕਈ ਜੁਗ ਤਿਨੀ ਤਨੁ ਤਾਇਆ ॥
बडे बडे मुनि देवते कई जुग तिनी तनु ताइआ ॥
The great sages and gods, even practising great austerities for several ages;


ਕਿਨੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੨॥
किनी तेरा अंतु न पाइआ ॥२॥
None could know Thy end.2.
http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=299



ਸਾਧੂ ਸਤਜੁਗੁ ਬੀਤਿਆ ਅਧ ਸੀਲੀ ਤ੍ਰੇਤਾ ਆਇਆ ॥
साधू सतजुगु बीतिआ अध सीली त्रेता आइआ ॥
The saintly Satyuga (the age of Truth) passed away and the Treta age of semi-righteousness came.

ਨੱਚੀ ਕਲ ਸਰੋਸਰੀ ਕਲ ਨਾਰਦ ਡਉਰੂ ਵਾਇਆ ॥
नची कल सरोसरी कल नारद डउरू वाइआ ॥
The discord danced over all the heads and Kal and Narad sounded their tabor.

ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ਉਤਾਰਨ ਦੇਵਤਿਆਂ ਮਹਿਖਾਸੁਰ ਸੁੰਭ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
अभिमानु उतारन देवतिआं महिखासुर सु्मभ उपाइआ ॥
Mahishasura and Sumbh were created for removing the pride of the gods.

ਜੀਤਿ ਲਏ ਤਿਨ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਤਿਹ ਲੋਕੀ ਰਾਜੁ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥
जीति लए तिन देवते तिह लोकी राजु कमाइआ ॥
They conquered the gods and ruled over the three worlds.

ਵੱਡਾ ਬੀਰੁ ਅਖਾਇ ਕੈ ਸਿਰ ਉਪਰ ਛਤ੍ਰੁ ਫਿਰਾਇਆ ॥
वडा बीरु अखाइ कै सिर उपर छत्रु फिराइआ ॥
He was called a great hero and had a canopy moving over his head.

ਦਿੱਤਾ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੁ ਨਿਕਾਲ ਕੈ ਤਿਨ ਗਿਰ ਕੈਲਾਸੁ ਤਕਾਇਆ ॥
दिता इंद्रु निकाल कै तिन गिर कैलासु तकाइआ ॥
Indra was turned out of his kingdom and he looked towards the Kailash mountain.

ਡਰਿ ਕੈ ਹੱਥੇ ਦਾਨਵੀ ਦਿਲ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਤ੍ਰਾਸੁ ਵਧਾਇਆ ॥
डरि कै हथे दानवी दिल अंदरि त्रासु वधाइआ ॥
Frightened by the demons, the element of fear grew enormously in his heart;

ਪਾਸ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਦੇ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੁ ਆਇਆ ॥੩॥
पास दुरगा दे इंद्रु आइआ ॥३॥
He came, therefore to Durga.3.
And so on and so forth.


Das wanted you to understand this.
page 297

admits that who is the God.
ੴ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ॥
ੴ वाहिगुरू जी की फतह ॥
The Lord is one and the Victory is of the Lord.


Then on 297 we have clearly wittan

ਤੈ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ ਦੈਤਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥
तै ही दुरगा साजि कै दैता दा नासु कराइआ ॥
O Lord! By creating Durga, Thou hast caused the destruction of demons.

We need to rember that this crerator is already been writtan to have created Three gods and incarnation etc see above.


This God is limitless

ਕਿਨੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੨॥
किनी तेरा अंतु न पाइआ ॥२॥
None could know Thy end.2.


page 299
gives Basic essance of Gurmat(Same is in Holy Bible also that I Make Good and evil and bring War and Peace and do all and so in Old Aryan Books but they do not follow).

Ie Evil is also made by God.


ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ਉਤਾਰਨ ਦੇਵਤਿਆਂ ਮਹਿਖਾਸੁਰ ਸੁੰਭ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
अभिमानु उतारन देवतिआं महिखासुर सु्मभ उपाइआ ॥
Mahishasura and Sumbh were created for removing the pride of the gods.



Rest is full of deeds of War between Durga a creation of Akal and evil demons another crreation of Akal.

This gives us a message that both Good and evil are Akal creation and we need not fear evil or run away but confront it.

ਦੁਰਗਾ ਪਾਠ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਸਭੇ ਪਉੜੀਆਂ ॥
दुरगा पाठ बणाइआ सभे पउड़ीआं ॥
All the Pauris (stanza) of this DURGA PATH (The text about the exploits of Durga) have been composed;

ਫੇਰ ਨ ਜੂਨੀ ਆਇਆ ਜਿਨ ਇਹ ਗਾਇਆ ॥੫੫॥
फेर न जूनी आइआ जिन इह गाइआ ॥५५॥
And that person who sings it, will not take birth again.55.

Then what you have asked.

This last lines says that after reading and understanding it we will behold that Devi is only an creation and not a God if at all it is. and in the same way evil is also the creation so can be destroyed and not at all premanent.

This was the use of the story that let us know that gods and godess's are nothing but creations and not to be worshipped.

In Guru Granth Sahib Ji we have Anand Sahib where Sikhs are invited to come and Singh the True Bani.

Aho Sikh Satguru Ke Pyareo Gao Sachi Bani.

Here singing does not means to sing mechanicaly but to understand.

And by mercy of Realisation(Nadir Karam of God) it is embbeded in heart(Hyerdye Tina Samani).

So we need to understand that here term Singing is not for mechanicaql singing but to understand the whole Var togather which is clearly telling that God is the one who creates Devi and so Devi is not to be worshipped but Vahiguru has to be and if someone understand it in FULL ie From Start to end will never be reborn as he/seh will understand that God is Akal and not the Devi.

likewise in Gurbani Of Guru Granth Sahib Ji we have term Guna Gvan Din Raat(Sing the glory Day and Night),Gun Gavan Nit Tere(Sing glory of your day and night).

All here means singing after understanding and not the litral meaning of singing meachnicaly.

Allthough it is in Punajbi and Gayeeya means to sing so is in hindi.

In Nagri scrip it must be writtan as GAAYA.

But it may also means Gahiya it trevelled or understood.

but do we have any examples of such where H is not writtan and A replces it That Das just want to see.(an example where H is used and ingnored in term to get or Pavana ie on page 5 of Guru Granth Sahib JI
swlwhI swlwih eyqI suriq n pweIAw ] The praisers praise the Lord, but they do not obtain intuitive understanding swlwhI swlwih EqI suriq n pweéAw ] saalaahee saalaahi aytee surat na paa-ee-aa. ndIAw AqY vwh pvih smuMid n jwxIAih ] -the streams and rivers flowing into the ocean do not know its vastness. ndIAw AqY vwh pvih smuNid n jwxIAih ] nadee-aa atai vaah pavahi samund na jaanee-ahi.
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Another is at Ang 9


which as followAwiK Qky kImiq nhI pweI ] people have grown weary, but they have not been able to evaluate it. AwiK Qky kImiq nhI pweé ] aakh thakay keemat nahee paa-ee. jy siB imil kY AwKx pwih ] Even if everyone were to gather together and speak of Him, jy siB imil kY AwKx pwih ] jay sabh mil kai aakhan paahi. We can see that H can be silent in term to get or Payee or Pahi


Later on we even have term
ਚਉਦਹ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਛਾਇਆ ਜਸੁ ਜਗਮਾਤ ਦਾ ॥
चउदह लोकां छाइआ जसु जगमात दा ॥
The praise of the mother of the universe spread over all the fourteen worlds.

Just before word you give here Jagmat is Akal and not Durga as she was created by Ik Onkar.

(Note Page numbering as per official Version is not the same it is 127 there).

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why is anyone even intereted in this story? the gurus preached that there is one god and that we should worship him. contemplation of any other misguided stories leads to misguided ideas. id rather not take the risk.
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why is anyone even intereted in this story? the gurus preached that there is one god and that we should worship him. contemplation of any other misguided stories leads to misguided ideas. id rather not take the risk.
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why is anyone even intereted in this story? the gurus preached that there is one god and that we should worship him. contemplation of stories such as this one lead to misguided ideas which may coincide with those of the RSS and HSS who are daily filling indias residents heads with garbage about how sikhism and hindusim are similar. this all with the prime aim of weakening sikhs and undermining our beliefs. although it was preached that all religions including hinduism should be respected, and righlty so as the granth sahib acknowleges the existence of hindu gods, the gurus frowned upon rituals and idol and the worshipping of other gods, the worship of the one true God and none other was preached.
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why is anyone even intereted in this story? the gurus preached that there is one god and that we should worship him. contemplation of stories such as this one lead to misguided ideas which may coincide with those of the RSS and HSS who are daily filling indias residents heads with garbage about how sikhism and hindusim are similar. this all with the prime aim of weakening sikhs and undermining our beliefs. although it was preached that all religions including hinduism should be respected, and righlty so as the granth sahib acknowleges the existence of hindu gods, the gurus frowned upon rituals and idol and the worshipping of other gods, the worship of the one true God and none other was preached.
If we see Guru Granth Sahib Ji,Gurbani is there time and again push for proving demigods if any are lesser then Akal.So sometime it even proves demigods in service of true Sikhs.


Durga serving Guru or Sikhs just wants to prove this and real Durga or powers or Attributes of her are in Akal only.

It is an attempt of Sikhs to convert Hindus to Gurmat,rather then what we fear now ie other way round,perhaps due to lack of faith in power of our unique and unprecedented idealogy.
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