Are Hindus Sacred Temple Fake?

dogra · #19 (**permalink**) 01-Jun-2012, 20:23 PM

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I am sorry dogra ji, it is just you me and few others who have read this line. Most of the hindus and non-hindus don't know these lines, and many of the hindus don't practice it!

some do and some dont, it will take time to wipe this social evl, but scriptures are clear, hence need stating these facts to help wipe out this cultural malpractice

Kanwaljit Singh · #20 (**permalink**) 01-Jun-2012, 20:24 PM

I think the problem is there are many scriptures and schools of thoughts, which don't gel together!

dogra · #21 (**permalink**) 01-Jun-2012, 20:38 PM

Think the problem, is that individuals dont understand basic fundamental points ie Moksha, ie god residing in hearts of all, ie sewa-KARMA YOGA,ie dignity of all functions in society-
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hinduism/38248-are-hindus-sacred-temple-fake.html
The cleaner in an office is just as important as the top Boss, despite paypacket differences, as all functions are required for the proper functioning of society, and any individual humanbeing can attain whatever function they desire given their efforts..

harry haller · #22 (**permalink**) 01-Jun-2012, 21:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dogra

Think the problem, is that individuals dont understand basic fundamental points ie Moksha, ie god residing in hearts of all, ie sewa-KARMA YOGA,ie dignity of all functions in society-
The cleaner in an office is just as important as the top Boss, despite paypacket differences, as all functions are required for the proper functioning of society, and any individual humanbeing can attain whatever function they desire given their efforts..

I find your thinking enlightening, maybe you should convert to Sikhism

however I disagree with your cleaner/ top Boss analogy, they are not as important as each other, and anyone who thinks this is guilty of naive thinking, a Boss wins contracts, brings the money in, runs the company, no Boss, no company, no money, no jobs, whereas no cleaner means dirty offices

dogra · #23 (**permalink**) 01-Jun-2012, 21:23 PM

well in terms of running the business, and the like yes, but that is the function of the boss, in terms of humanity and dignity of all labour all functions are important in the office, they all have to work together, otherwise office does not function for the better, and that is the point.

ravneet_sb · #24 (**permalink**) 01-Jun-2012, 23:58 PM

Sat Sri Akaal,

As the human genome was growing,
there were system to recognize giving name labels to human,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38248
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38248
with further growth of genome,
castes and sub castes were designed,
for further identification,
Manu designed human identification with system of caste based on traits.

But with invent of this system,
negativity of system erupted, as
caste based bifurcation in society and hatred,

GURU NANAK DEV JI tried to again tried to bring human genome in
single system as

"SIKH" as "Learner"

as purpose and trait of each human is "Learning"

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

dogra · #25 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 21:01 PM

Anything Manu says which contradicts prime messages in Vedas is rejected, but thenthere has also been corruption in what Manu said:
http://agniveer.com/3308/manu-smriti-and-shudras/

findingmyway · #26 (**permalink**) 05-Jun-2012, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh

Gurudwaras are not much different from temples. Only the rituals that take place inside are different.

True of modern day Gurdwara's but this is not in the spirit of Sikhism. I'm with Harry Bhaji on this one, there should be no rituals, and more focus on learning.

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I am guessing this is why temples themselves are worshipped. Needless to say any place carrying a sacred object is worthy of worship.

No object or person should be worshipped. Beautiful and historic places should be admired but not worshipped.

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We often bow down before we even enter a gurudwara. This is to say we are entering sacred space. We then bow to the Nishaan sahib (or in the west, the Nishan Sahib before the Gurudwara itself). Then we bow to the Guru Granth Sahib and the Weapons that are placed in front of it. And if you are in Harimandir Sahib then you bow down to Dakhni Deori, a place where Baba Deep Singh ji laid down his head, etc etc.

This is due to the influence of Hinduism infecting modern day Sikhi. Matha tekking to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a way of saying I am ready to give my head to my Guru and learn. It is a physical greeting, not worship. Matha tekking to anyone/anything else becomes idol worship.

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No. As far as the authors of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are concerned, they do/did/will exist.

I disagree. Gurbani uses mythological figures for demonstration as the audience would have understood the message better. This in no way confirms existence. There is a reason it is known as mythology and not history! I think whether Ram and Krishna existed or not is irrelevant as it is the stories around them are used for demonstration rather than the figures themselves. Even if they did exist, my personal belief is that they were ordinary men and stories were blown out of proportion over time as we see happen so often. In no way does Gurbani confirm or deny existence, nor does it really matter.

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Original intention? The first "Gurudwara" was called Hari Mandir, popularly known as the Golden Temple. 'nuff said.

Really? Actually the 1st Gurdwara was just called a Gurdwara and was built in Kartarpur. Harmandir or Darbar Sahib is the most well known. In my understanding, Harmandar Sahib is a later name. Prior to that is was known as the Darbar Sahib in honour of the purpose of the Gurdwara.

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Gurudwara, Mandirs, churches, mosques are a place of ritual, devotion and love, which we call worship. There is no such thing as a non-ritual activity. Any non-ritual activity that you are going to do in a gurudwara is by definition a ritual. Let's say you go there to listen to or sing kirtan, this is a ritual. You go there to read paath, a ritual. You go there to clean shoes, a ritual.

A Gurdwara was never intended to be a place of worship and was never meant to be restricted to a particular building. The true purpose of a Gurdwara is supposed to be learning. Paath is not supposed to be parroted but discussed and understood. Kirtan is not supposed to be merely sung but learnt from and inspiring. Cleaning shoes was not supposed to be a ritual but a practical seva. I guess it is important here to differentiate between mindless ritual and a ritual that has sprung from and has a good sensible practical basis.

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Now learning and contemplation can also happen but the latter is better done in solitude.

I disagree. If that is the case why bother going to school? Why come on this forum? Why bother with sangat? Without hearing other points of view how can we possibly learn? How could be possibly know if we are on the right track? Sangat is important not only to keep you on the right path by providing good company but also to help in the learning process. Anywhere there is a group of Sikhs wanting to explore and understand Gurbani, we have a Gurdwara, no matter where that is!

Scarlet Pimpernel · #27 (**permalink**) 05-Jun-2012, 06:06 AM

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This is due to the influence of Hinduism infecting modern day Sikhi

Sister Blaming another religion as if it is an infectious disease is no way to sustain a modern day Sikhi,if anything is good it's Sikhi if somethings not, oh it's Hinduisms fault is utter nonsense. All for one and one for all.