Do Animals have a Soul? Why do many Sikhs eat Meat?

I think he is a good man Veerji, I just want to know his line of thinking
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I do not need to play games

I do not need the Karma
I am on the Board of Biggin Hill Airport Kent UK
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Amarjitji,


I know you are on the board of Biggin Hill Airport, as indeed is one of my customers, who speaks very highly of you, however I still cannot get a straight answer to a straight question,

how do you reconcile your belief in all these deities with being a Sikh, its a very simple question and one whose answer I am fast losing interest in, as your answers seem to intimate a different man from the one I was led to believe you were.

From what I know about you, you are highly spiritual, a real child of the world, you respect and believe in all religions, which in its own context is wonderful, You sound like a real new age gentleman, I have no ruck with that at all
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37900

But this is a Sikh Philosophy website, I have no interest in the Air industry, I want to know how you manage this juggling act of religions, from the basis of furthering my own knowledge. If you cannot answer this, then simply write I cannot answer this rather than giving me more PR about you or your company

Respectfully

Harry

My only answer is I see God in every one
even you
I have so many experiences with the divine
which have shown me God is in all.

Even some of my customers have seen the miracles with God
in our aircraft hangar

I have nothing more to say.
What you see of me is what I am

I have had divine experiences which shwoed me what EGO does in people
so I try be be pure as much as I can

If I dont fit in with your sites beliefs then you can ask me and I will remove myself
from this

I thought maybe someof the teaching I have had could benefit but it appears
not.

amarjit

Amarjitji,

I take it you cannot answer my question....

I put it to you that by releasing your full identity, address, telephone number, photo, website etc, that what you are actually doing is preaching here on this forum for people to contact you so that you initiate them into this wonderful world of yours, again, I have nothing against what you preach, if it works for you then great, but it worries me that younger members will read your posts and believe them to be in line with Sikhi, and as there is enough Vedic interference already manifesting itself through subterfuge, we could really do with people being a bit more upfront about their intentions.
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I do not believe your intentions are to participate in this forum so we can share your knowledge and experience, I believe your intentions are to attempt to get people to contact you to find out more about your preaching.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37900

A true Sikh believes only in Creator, not Sai Baba or Hanuman, or the myriad of other deities you have communicated with, a true Sikh would simply not believe any of this, and I believe you do our religion a huge disservice by confusing younger members with your views.

Your views are your views, and I respect them, but please do not try and pass them off as Sikhi because they simply are not

Respectfully


Harry

Amarjit Singh ji,
I am enjoying your posts and would like an answer to my question that I posed. It was not rhetorical. The more unnecessary suffering we can reduce the better.

Animals (not insects) do have a consciousness thus feel a range of emotions like us but not as much. Their suffering clearly does matter but not equal to or above human suffering. No, humans suffer much more. If there were other animals with a wider range of emotions with a higher consciousness than even humans, then it would be our duty to serve them with our life.
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This is why we must care for our parents and elders as their consciousness is higher than ours, their experience more richer. Avatars, Gurus, Sants, Prophets etc also have a higher consciousness even higher than parents and elders. This is why we serve and worship them.

Essentially, I agree with Sam Harris here:

I realize this is not from the GGS, but I believe essentially the philosophy of the Bhagavad-Gita is correct here.

BG 17-07:
"Partaking of foods in tama guna such as meat, fish, fowl, eggs, wine, alcohol, etc. breeds dark nescience and great ignorance."

Batman,

With reference to the song, are you suggesting then that slicing a turkey is murder? And perhaps cooking it and later eating it is also murder? So even a dead body can be killed and one turkey is murdered again and again? Is this not odd?
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As far as I’m concerned the quoted text from the Bhagavad Gita, rather than a correct statement about “ignorance” is itself a manifestation not only of the same, but also of wrong understanding about cause and effect (karma) and very misleading.

If you wish to make a statement about a particular wrong or right moral action, you’d need to discriminate one course of action from another and not bunch different things together.

Rules are laid out in order to give a sense of direction but easily become object of clinging. “Not to kill” points to the danger of the bad intention involved in the act and the result that follows from this. Failing to study the mind when involved in any action, one ends up going by outward actions. This is an instance of ignorance coming in when instead, wisdom should be there. From this attachment follows, which in turn encourages more ignorance and attachment to what then must be “rules and rituals”. This latter are in fact a manifestation of wrong understanding and a source of much mischief. At some point wrong understanding with the help of conceit leads to creation of rules that are completely unfounded, such as those professed by vegetarians and vegans in the name of moral purity.

For killing to take place there must be not only the intention to kill, but also a being (living), the act of killing and the resultant death. So you can see here, that intention alone is not enough, not to speak of times when the particular intention is not even present, such as when slicing turkey or cooking and eating it. Indeed someone may cook with the intention to feed someone and allow that person to enjoy a tasty meal, and this must be good, must it not? Why then allow a rule which has no basis in reality to decide what is good and what is bad moral action?

People attach to rules because in following them, they sense that they have achieved something. Creating more rules allows for the same to happen at what is perceived as ‘higher level’ of success. But really, this is all about me, me and me. Attachment will attach to anything and wrong understanding will create imagined rules for attachment to feed upon. But just as wisdom is the forerunner of all that is good, wrong understanding is the forerunner of all that is evil.

Today you think that you are being morally good because you do not kill. But not only does “not killing” have anything to do with an overall behavior, but is an instance of restraint when faced with the prospect of killing, making the wrong association between killing and eating is to encourage a perverted understanding about cause and effect which leads further and further away from the prospect of understanding killing as killing. And the result of this down the road, in this life or the following ones, is all forms of immoral actions, including killing.
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There are members here who quickly dismiss karma due to their preferred world view. This too opens the way for all kinds of evil actions as I’ve seen directly and indirectly professed. But I don’t know which is worse, whether this or the one which mistake wrong moral action for right.

Ps: I don’t know how long I will be writing here for. I quit sometime back and am sure some here will ask, why I have decided to come back. I have just embarked on a discussion with a particular teacher from India who I met a few times when he visited Bangkok. I talked to him once about my participation in this group and expressed my frustration with regard to the discouragement of the concept of karma here. He of course does believe in karma and thinks that those who do not, are wrong. (But he is a vegetarian. :-/) Anyway, this is what led me to come here and read again. But I don’t know for how long.

Very well said... thank you