Does Sikhism Confirm the Existence of Hindu Gods/Goddesses?

Ambarsaria · #37 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spnadmin

ishna ji

Obviously I am in stark disagreement with Kanwaljit Singh on the point that the devtas are avatars of Akaal Purakh. Akaal does not incarnate and therefore has no avatars. In full disclosure, I tend toward the vichaar of Sikh Missionary College Ludhiana which discourages the idea that Akaal incarnates. Having said that, here was what you boiled your quest to

After pondering, I thought of this, maybe it will help. Who are the devtas singing to? In So Dar, Indra, Brahma, Shiva, the angels are all singing the praises of Hari, Lord of the Universe. So could it not be that Guruji is asking us this question: If Indra, Braham, Shiva, the Goddess of Beauty, and all of creation are singing praises of the Lord of the Universe, then why are you, human being, you with the elephant mind, why are you singing to them? Why are you singing to devtas? They are not singing to each other. You should be singing to Hari as well.

spnadmin ji I did not see your post while I was composing mine. I am in agreement with your lucid description.

Kanwaljit Singh ji are you in real doubt about the following,

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I think Gurbani says that Krishna, Raam, Shiva etc were nothing more than Avatari Purush! Their teachings would have been as relevant to Hindus as they are those of Ten Gurus to us, but most of Hindu deities teachings and life stories have been manipulated and modified by crooked pandits to make sure they rule the gullible people.

Very disheartening for me to see a good young man missing out some basics. You are talking mythology of unknown origin and comparing it with living people from so recent past in our Gurus.

Hinduism has this flow,

Lowest cast ---> Lower Cast ---> One below Brahmin ---> Brahmin ---> Conduit to sub Devi and Devtas ---> Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Ram -----------------> The blue yonder

Per our Gurus teachings and Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji,

Sikhs -------------------------------------------------------> Creator/Creation

Sat Sri Akal. mundahug

Kanwaljit Singh · #38 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 09:36 AM

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Very disheartening for me to see a good young man missing out some basics. You are talking mythology of unknown origin and comparing it with living people from so recent past in our Gurus.

I am comparing importance of Ram and Krishna in Hindu mythos. Yes in a way the comparison is improper for our Gurus lived just a few hundred years ago and we are blessed to have Guru Granth Sahib as Eternal Guru with us. But Hindus don't believe their scriptures to be pure mythology. Just like you can't prove their existence in past, you can't prove they were pure fiction. Indeed if their scriptures were written 10,000 years ago, it is hard to go either way.

BTW Jesus was born only 2000 years ago, but there are few historians who found the life of Jesus depicted on much older Egyptian mummy burial chambers. What can we infer from that? That Truth is stranger than fiction.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #39 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 09:37 AM

About 3000 years down the line..maybe..Maharaja ranjit Singh could becoem a DEVTA as equivalent to the Raja of Dwarka..or the raja Dassareth..etc etc...SRI RANJIT...and this Devta would be concoted as an Avtaar..and making multiple journeys to Heaven swarahg..shooting magical arrows and flying on elephants..not farfetched...the Krishans and the Raams were just ordinary RAJAS..KINGS..who were made into Avtaars...there is a mandir to JAYALALITHA the actress cum politician..and shes not dead yet !! Anway SRI RANJIT is a much more credible avtaar becasue he made mincemeat of the marauding invaders who looted the land for a THOUSAND YEARS uninterrupted !! Imagien the Immense WEALTH they must have LOOTED by looking at the Treasure just discovered in one small Hindu mandir...already worth about 100,000 KROR and COUNTING !! This is small change compared to the vast treasures in the huge Mandirs that Gauri looted 17 times !!
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2. The Brahma and all that about Mai in japji Sahib...what GURU JI is saying..What is BRahma..Vishnu Shivji Mai Ji..etc etc are ALL what MY GURU is to ME !! MY Guru is brahma..MY GURU is vishnu..MY GURU is Shivji..MY GURU is Mai the Devi goddess or whatever....Simple enough. Its NOT at all about Guru Ji endorsing/certifying/applauding/verifying..whatever about the existence/verasity/power/whatever of these brahmas vishnus...BECAUSE Gurbani clearly says in so many places..there are thousands upon thosuands of Brahms, vishnus shivjis and mais....so whats one Brahma ??..........BUT Guru nanak jis "GURU" is ONE and ONE ONLY..there is NO Other like HIM..no other equal to HIM..none comparable to HIM...this si the BOTTOM LINE here.

Ambarsaria · #40 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 10:00 AM

Gyani Jarnail Singh ji how come you show up when I want to go nighty nighty

Your comment about Devta Ranjit may not be too far fetched. Let me share a real incident.

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A distant cousin on my spouse's side was visiting the local Airport to receive someone or see somebody off. He had ponytail hair growth and like some men put a rubber band or stuff to manage it. Some relative younger than him touched his feet to greet. Lord behold based on his dress that he was wearing (it must have been a killer Sant/Baba dress combo or something), strangers start touching his feet. He did not say anything about it. Now deceased he commented then, I paraphrase, "I might as well start an Ashram or a religion".

Have a great good morning your way.

Sat Sri Akal.

prakash.s.bagga · #41 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 11:28 AM

I feel if we analyse any philosophy with prejudiced view it would not be possible to understand and our interpretation may not justify the significance of that particular philosophy.

I feel when there are questions related to Hindu Mythological references in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji we take altogether different views.But how we justify the use of the word GOD in relation to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.Here we feel exempted from the blame of promoting western philosophies rather Sikh philosophy

There is need to understand the messages of Gurbaani more deeply to avoid the conflicting views of reference of particular philosophy in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
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Prakash.S.Bagga

Kanwaljit Singh · #42 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 12:11 PM

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Obviously I am in stark disagreement with Kanwaljit Singh on the point that the devtas are avatars of Akaal Purakh. Akaal does not incarnate and therefore has no avatars. In full disclosure, I tend toward the vichaar of Sikh Missionary College Ludhiana which discourages the idea that Akaal incarnates.

SPNAdmin ji, I called them Avatari Purush which I believe means people who had some divinity or good qualities about them. They were mortals not walking God.

I don't believe Akaal Purakh can take an Avatar. Well here is what I think.. say at some point of time, God took 'birth' as Avatar in say Ayodhya. Since God was in Ayodhya, all life as we know it was taken away from the rest of universe. Or maybe the universe shrunk to the size of Ayodhya. But that didn't happen. Hence God cannot come as Avatar in one place or other. God is Ajooni and permeates the whole universe.

harry haller · #43 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 12:28 PM

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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #44 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 12:56 PM

Harry Ji..GREAT. YOU Hit the nail right on its square head !! FLAT IN ALL THE WAY.
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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #45 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2011, 13:06 PM

Ambarsariah Ji.. at the physical level..we may be living at opposite ends of the earth...hence the night nighty on your end....while its rise and shine at my end...BUT at the mental/spiritual/atmic level we are in perfect sync. A very nice weekend to you too ji..

Btw that relative of yours was a living person..here in Malaysia, there is a SHRINE under every tree and stone..even by the roadside....headstones for accident victims on the roadshoulder..where strangers bow as well hoping the dead one may just give them a lottery number..who knows ?? Every pippal tree, ancient tree with granled roots will be sure to have a shrine..chinese god, hindu god..thai god..buddhist god..depends on who came first...and even SIKHS matha tek at a few.....so IF I installed a Deva ranjit statue under a really old majestic looking tree..i can get a comfortbale income with no effort..in fact some of the "gods" look like ME..flowing white beards and yellow patkas..gingerteakaur