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14-May-2012, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria  Prakash.S.Bagga ji perhaps worth visiting the "Naam ..." thread to see how Naam is not just a single word but an essence behind.
Sat Sri Akal. | You are considering the word NAAM whereas I consider the word NAAMu
(The word Naam with matra of Aukad).
You dont accept the significance of the matra of Aukad under last letter of the word.
If you apply the grammar as given by Dr Sahib Singh ji or any other Author every one agree that the word with the matra of Aukad under its last letter is SINGULAR NOUN m/g.Even you can contact K.S Thind ji also .
So the meaning of the word NAAMu is definitely specific only.
Since the word NAAM (Without Aukad under M) is PLURAL as M/G but SINGULAR as F/G but still its meaning is related to the meaning of NAAMu only.
If you are able to make a deep observation of Gurbanee you will come to know it is all about <HARi.HARi> only.Every reference in Gurbanee is for this SINGLE PAIR of WORD.
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14-May-2012, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga You are considering the word NAAM whereas I consider the word NAAMu
(The word Naam with matra of Aukad).
You dont accept the significance of the matra of Aukad under last letter of the word.
If you apply the grammar as given by Dr Sahib Singh ji or any other Author every one agree that the word with the matra of Aukad under its last letter is SINGULAR NOUN m/g.Even you can contact K.S Thind ji also .
So the meaning of the word NAAMu is definitely specific only.
Since the word NAAM (Without Aukad under M) is PLURAL as M/G but SINGULAR as F/G but still its meaning is related to the meaning of NAAMu only.
If you are able to make a deep observation of Gurbanee you will come to know it is all about <hari.hari> only.Every reference in Gurbanee is for this SINGLE PAIR of WORD.
Prakash.S.Bagga | Veer Prakash.S.Bagga ji if Naam is "Understanding" and "NAAMu" being singular per you simply means "Single Understanding". It is the same as "One Creator" and "One Creator' virtues, attributes, and so on". The core being one creator, one truth and so on and it has no need to be called a Physical Name that many would associate with Hindu deities and so mis-judge as the possible Husband of Sita and Laxman's brother as that is not Sikhism or what Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji espouses or our Guru ji's teach. So get off the Ramu or Hari band wagons as these simply mis-lead in the common street level contexts and understandings.
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14-May-2012, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria Veer Prakash.S.Bagga ji if Naam is "Understanding" and "NAAMu" being singular per you simply means "Single Understanding". It is the same as "One Creator" and "One Creator' virtues, attributes, and so on". The core being one creator, one truth and so on and it has no need to be called a Physical Name that many would associate with Hindu deities and so mis-judge as the possible Husband of Sita and Laxman's brother as that is not Sikhism or what Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji espouses or our Guru ji's teach. So get off the Ramu or Hari band wagons as these simply mis-lead in the common street level contexts and understandings.
Regards.
</HARI.HARI> | Here again is reflection of your prejudiced views about mening of the words .On one side you admit that the meaning of the word should be understood as per context.On the otherside you are unable to understand the application of the word RAM as RAMu.(This Aukad I have not put from my side ,this Aukad is given by our Guru ji ..What for) The use of Aukad matra is a great help in understanding the meaning of the word RAM in particular context.
The probem is that you are not trying to understand the significance of just a Simple Matra and you advocate to Understand NAAM as Understanding.Very surprising approach.
NAAM can not be the reference meaning as Understanding.NAAM is properly a reference for a specific WORD.
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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga Here again is reflection of your prejudiced views about mening of the words . | Prakash.S.Bagga ji I believe in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and I try to contribute towards and encourage correct understanding and not blind belief in this or that translation. If I appear biased so doing I have no issues being so labelled.
My approach and in total is all I said in the above sentence. I don't go looking for words "mantra" in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, you do. You asked me to follow Prof. Sahib Singh ji and I hope you read it yourself. He warns against basically idiotic word searches in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji where you search Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to prove your points versus understanding as you go in each sabad.
What your purpose is only you know?
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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria Prakash.S.Bagga ji I believe in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and I try to contribute towards and encourage correct understanding and not blind belief in this or that translation. If I appear biased so doing I have no issues being so labelled.
My approach and in total is all I said in the above sentence. I don't go looking for words "mantra" in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, you do. You asked me to follow Prof. Sahib Singh ji and I hope you read it yourself. He warns against basically idiotic word searches in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji where you search Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to prove your points versus understanding as you go in each sabad.
What your purpose is only you know?
Sat Sri Akal. | I would certainly respect how you view the things in your own ways.
I never think of any purose in your views as you view mine.This is your own state of mind.If you are comfrotable I should be rather happy.
Views do change with maturity in facing the different levels of understanding.Our thinking may be wavering But NAAMu is STATIC since
inception of the Universe.
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I agree, it has no place in Sikhism but it is NOT a bad thing. There are a lot of stuff not in Sikhism which I observe in this thread, like: Ignorance, and some of the 5 evils. I think it may be a "optional" choice on your free time, like a hobby. | 
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