Gayatri Mantra

prakash.s.bagga · #**136** (**permalink**) 13-May-2012, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ravneet_sb

Sat Sri Akaal,

In yesterday's evening congregation shabad recited was

akhar likhay say-ee gaavaa avar na jaanaa banee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
I sing the Word which You have written; I do not know any other Word. ||1||Pause||

To mind it reflected

that from union of alphabets came words,

and I know only to sing union of alphabets,

but not the essence of GURU's BANI.

So

Raam Naamu

Hari Naamu

Jonee's .......

Reflection or connection of words doesn't appear to my mind

and

my five senses cannot coonect to these words.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

The message of the Quote is similar as in

A quote from Raagu Ramkalee

"Jaisaa Likhat Likhiya Dhur Karate Hum Taisee Kirati Kama-ee

Mere Munn SatiGuR Sew Sukh Ho-ee"

Prakash.S.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #**137** (**permalink**) 13-May-2012, 02:53 AM

It is the message of Gurbanee that requires understanding.
A lime constituting mantra also requires understanding but
A SINGLE WORD MANTRA like HARi NAAMu/RAM NAAMu does not require any understanding.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hinduism/33304-gayatri-mantra.html

Prakash.s.Bagga

Ambarsaria · #**138** (**permalink**) 13-May-2012, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

This NAAMu is not at all meant for five senses and even not for the mind.
The SINGLE WORD is for Munn which has the same FORM as that of CREATOR..
Munn is not a physical part of the body.Still it is most VITAL controller of the Body.
From Gurbanee we can learnas
"Jinko Munn Ki Parteeti Nahee Se Kiya KaThe Giyane" VAR Raagu Sorathi

Prakash.S.Bagga

Veer Prakash.S.Bagga ji there is no "Jantar Mantar" on the traditional sense understood by a man in the street in India.

What I mean is the following,

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Whether you relate it to "Munn" or other part and start calling it the creator is simply mis-leading. I really suggest that your good self refrain from such as you know better. I was happy to learn that your other pet project of Grammar ramblings and creating confusion is over.

Sat Sri Akal.

prakash.s.bagga · #**139** (**permalink**) 13-May-2012, 11:18 AM

From Gurbanee one can know that our real companion in ones COSMIC JOURNEY is this GuR MANTRA ...Hari NAAMu /RAM NAAMy as <HARi.HARi> only.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304

Prakash.S.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #**140** (**permalink**) 13-May-2012, 12:47 PM

We can look this quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as
<TABLE cellSpacing=5><TBODY><TR><TD>ਬਾਜੀਗਰਿ ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਜੀ ਪਾਈ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304

बाजीगरि जैसे बाजी पाई ॥

Bājīgar jaise bājī pā▫ī.

The actor stages the play,

</TD></TR><TR><TD>ਨਾਨਾ ਰੂਪ ਭੇਖ ਦਿਖਲਾਈ ॥

नाना रूप भेख दिखलाई ॥

Nānā rūp bẖekẖ ḏikẖlā▫ī.

playing the many characters in different costumes;

</TD></TR><TR><TD>ਸਾਂਗੁ ਉਤਾਰਿ ਥੰਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਓ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥

सांगु उतारि थम्हिओ पासारा ॥

Sāŉg uṯār thamiĥa▫o pāsārā.

but when the play ends, he takes off the costumes,

</TD></TR><TR><TD>ਤਬ ਏਕੋ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੧॥

तब एको एकंकारा ॥१॥

Ŧab eko ekankārā. ||1||

and then he is one, and only one. ||1||

</TD></TR><TR><TD>ਕਵਨ ਰੂਪ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਓ ਬਿਨਸਾਇਓ ॥

कवन रूप द्रिसटिओ बिनसाइओ ॥

Kavan rūp ḏaristi▫o binsā▫i▫o.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304

How many forms and images appeared and disappeared?
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This complete Sabad is at pp 736 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Raagu Suhee

Prakash.s.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #**141** (**permalink**) 13-May-2012, 13:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Veer Prakash.S.Bagga ji there is no "Jantar Mantar" on the traditional sense understood by a man in the street in India.

What I mean is the following,

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Whether you relate it to "Munn" or other part and start calling it the creator is simply mis-leading. I really suggest that your good self refrain from such as you know better. I was happy to learn that your other pet project of Grammar ramblings and creating confusion is over.

Sat Sri Akal.

You are totally mistaken what you say.You live in your own world.
If you assume that Gurbanee grammar is my project I am honoured .But you should realise Gurbanee grammar is the way GuRu wants us to understand the true meanings of Gurbanee.If you overlook this you are befooling youself only.
I am always on my job under the direction of my GuRu.You dont worry for this.
You should take care of your own prejudiced thinking and mind.That is more than enough.
Prakash.S.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #**142** (**permalink**) 13-May-2012, 14:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Veer Prakash.S.Bagga ji there is no "Jantar Mantar" on the traditional sense understood by a man in the street in India.

What I mean is the following,

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Whether you relate it to "Munn" or other part and start calling it the creator is simply mis-leading. I really suggest that your good self refrain from such as you know better. I was happy to learn that your other pet project of Grammar ramblings and creating confusion is over.

Sat Sri Akal.

How one can overlook this Quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jias
<TABLE cellSpacing=5><TBODY><TR><TD>ਨਾਮੁ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਾਧੂ ਰਹਿਓ ਰਹਿਓ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ॥

नामु रहिओ साधू रहिओ रहिओ गुरु गोबिंदु ॥

Nām rahi▫o sāḏẖū rahi▫o rahi▫o gur gobinḏ.

The Naam remains; the Holy Saints remain; the Guru, the Lord of the Universe, remains.

</TD></TR><TR><TD>ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਕਿਨ ਜਪਿਓ ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤੁ ॥੫੬॥

कहु नानक इह जगत मै किन जपिओ गुर मंतु ॥५६॥

Kaho Nānak ih jagaṯ mai kin japi▫o gur manṯ. ||56||

Says Nanak, how rare are those who chant the Guru's Mantra in this world. ||56||
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Ambarsaria · #**143** (**permalink**) 14-May-2012, 08:43 AM

Prakash.S.Bagga ji thanks for your post

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

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</td></tr><tr><td>ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਕਿਨ ਜਪਿਓ ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤੁ ॥੫੬॥

कहु नानक इह जगत मै किन जपिओ गुर मंतु ॥५६॥

Kaho Nānak ih jagaṯ mai kin japi▫o gur manṯ. ||56||

Says Nanak, how rare are those who chant the Guru's Mantra in this world. ||56||

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If I may want to give my essence based on some help and discussion as follows,

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Quote:

ਮੰਤੁ
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurmukhi-Gurmukhi Dictionary</td></tr><tr><td align="left"> (1) ਮਨਤਵ, ਮਨੋਰਥ, ਉਦੇਸ਼। (2) ਮੰਤਰ, ਜਾਪ। (3) ਉਪਦੇਸ਼। ਉਦਾਹਰਣ: ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਪੈ ਕਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਮੰਤੁ॥ {ਜਪੁ ੧, ੨੪:੪ (5)}। ਸੰਤੀ ਮੰਤੁ ਦੀਓ ਮੋਹਿ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਮਾਇਆ॥ {ਗਉ ੫, ੧੨੫, ੩:੨ (206)}। ਸਤੁ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਦਇਆ ਧਰਮੁ ਸੁਚਿ ਸੰਤਨ ਤੇ ਇਹੁ ਮੰਤੁ ਲਈ॥ {ਬਿਲਾ ੫, ੯੦, ੨:੧ (822)}। ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਆਰਾਧੀ </td></tr></tbody></table>
<table><tbody><tr><td align="left">Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia</td></tr><tr><td align="left"> ਸੰ. मन्त्र- ਮੰਤ੍ਰ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਮੰਤ੍ਰ. "ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਤੰਤੁ ਮੰਤੁ ਗੁਰਿ ਦੀਨਾ". (ਆਸਾ ਮਃ ੫)। (2) ਸੰ. मन्तु. ਅਪਰਾਧ. ਕੁਸੂਰ। (3) ਮਨੁੱਖ. ਆਦਮੀ। (4) ਪ੍ਰਜਾਪਤਿ. ਪ੍ਰਜਾ ਦਾ ਮਾਲਿਕ.
Mahan Kosh data provided by Bhai Baljinder Singh (RaraSahib Wale); See http://www.ik13.com

</td></tr></tbody></table> The word is ਮੰਤੁ and it is not the translation as Mantra that you have shown in English translation.

Prakash.S.Bagga ji so declaring "Grammar and Purity" of meaning adherent, how can you miss this mis-translation?

My essence of the last line below,

Quote:

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਕਿਨ ਜਪਿਓ ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤੁ ॥੫੬॥

Say Nanak, in this world who contemplates upon the creator's essence.

Sat Sri Akal.

prakash.s.bagga · #**144** (**permalink**) 14-May-2012, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Prakash.S.Bagga ji thanks for your post

If I may want to give my essence based on some help and discussion as follows,

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD align=left></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The word is ਮੰਤੁ and it is not the translation as Mantra that you have shown in English translation.

Prakash.S.Bagga ji so declaring "Grammar and Purity" of meaning adherent, how can you miss this mis-translation?

My essence of the last line below,

Sat Sri Akal.

Creators essence is the Creators "WORD" only and the same is being refered as <HARi.HARi>.
Why we dont want to be specific as per Gurbanee ?
.There is no point in converting speicifics of Gurbanee into abstracts.This is nothing but creating more confusion in understanding the true essence of Gurbanee.
Prakash.s.Bagga