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Jeos post above- Since you mentioned Yogi Bhajan can I ask you what do you think about the Kundalini Yoga introduced by him in the western world? I began practicing it very intensely some months ago and after doing a lot of research I find that Bhajan's yoga might be a mix of Sikh and hinduist health/religious/spiritual exercises...<!-- google_ad_section_end --> Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hinduism/33304-gayatri-mantra.html
It's just a different art form of yoga.
However, when one's kundalini is awakened, that is a different matter.
No matter what people say, this can happen with or without the yoga.
When it happens, believe me, you know.
To me it doesn't matter if some one says it's a hindu thing or buddhist or oterwise. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304
It's DOES NOT BELONG to any group. It's about yourself and connecting with the 'naam' or god within you. See the thread on Naam jap,naam simran and meditation for more details. From this thread, you may hopefully find it easier to understand this one form of naam within you that you can connect to with simran. Got anything to share on This Topic? Why not share your immediate thoughts/reaction with us! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views... Gurfateh!
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11-May-2012, 11:10 AM
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Sat Sri Akaal, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304
If one reads "GURU's BANI" there is abstraction and viz a viz physical realization to abstraction.
Connecting to Naam
Awakening Kundalini What is all this for "GURSIKH" or "LEARNED"
just abstraction
without realization
creating fancy of words,
it was never the way of "SIKHISM"
Guru Nanak Dev Ji spent there life to bring common people uplift common man from fancy of these words, or
just philosphical
without
realization of said words.
and
make abstract studies of scholars realized to a common man, and each one can realize through common senses (basic five senses)
they have not to fall pray of so called "PANDITS" or "BHAI's" to understand the basic truth's of nature.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji relieved the society and masses, by providing realisation of higher abstract studies, to realisation of common man through common sense. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304
A short story
If one knows facts of evoultion and reproduction, and has genetic record of ancestors, one can easily create fancy by telling past of person, through these record.
But "LEARNED" are aware of this, they do not fall pray to tese events.
Bhul Chuk Maaf
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
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Originally Posted by ravneet_sb  Sat Sri Akaal,
If one reads "GURU's BANI" there is abstraction and viz a viz physical realization to abstraction.
Connecting to Naam
Awakening Kundalini What is all this for "GURSIKH" or "LEARNED"
just abstraction
without realization
creating fancy of words,
it was never the way of "SIKHISM"
Guru Nanak Dev Ji spent there life to bring common people uplift common man from fancy of these words, or
just philosphical
without
realization of said words.
and
make abstract studies of scholars realized to a common man, and each one can realize through common senses (basic five senses)
they have not to fall pray of so called "PANDITS" or "BHAI's" to understand the basic truth's of nature.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji relieved the society and masses, by providing realisation of higher abstract studies, to realisation of common man through common sense.
A short story
If one knows facts of evoultion and reproduction, and has genetic record of ancestors, one can easily create fancy by telling past of person, through these record.
But "LEARNED" are aware of this, they do not fall pray to tese events.
Bhul Chuk Maaf
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
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11-May-2012, 12:22 PM
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Sat Sri Akaal,
Without keeping doubts of mind and in mind
And realization of Kundalini is awakening of one's own mind
for evolution/ reproduction and death Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304
This way understanding's survival instincts, animal instincts stored.
Understanding of all this, on can clean mind thought's and thus vocal speech and physical actions.
Bhul Chuk Di Maafi, for next writting
Deep breath up and down is all foolish,
and
commercial ways of teaching religion
and
is no way preaching.
Bhul Chuk Maaf
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
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Originally Posted by Luckysingh Jeos post above-
Since you mentioned Yogi Bhajan can I ask you what do you think about the Kundalini Yoga introduced by him in the western world? I began practicing it very intensely some months ago and after doing a lot of research I find that Bhajan's yoga might be a mix of Sikh and hinduist health/religious/spiritual exercises...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
It's just a different art form of yoga.
However, when one's kundalini is awakened, that is a different matter.
No matter what people say, this can happen with or without the yoga.
When it happens, believe me, you know.
To me it doesn't matter if some one says it's a hindu thing or buddhist or oterwise.
It's DOES NOT BELONG to any group. It's about yourself and connecting with the 'naam' or god within you. See the thread on Naam jap,naam simran and meditation for more details. From this thread, you may hopefully find it easier to understand this one form of naam within you that you can connect to with simran. |
Kundalini Yoga is a concept of awakening the lower serpent energy by undertaking strict breath control and in eastern philosophy one is required to utter the word ‘om’ 16 times while breathing in and 16 times while holding the breath and 16 times while exhaling.
It is not recommended in Sikhism. Guru Arjan Dev ji states in this regard : Some practice inner cleansing teahniques, and control the breath through Kundalini Yoga. But Sikhs adore to worship the Lord.[Guru Arjan,Ramkali-912-15,16]
It has been discarded in Granth sahib at more than one place.[ang 1043].It is stated to be an hypocritical practice as sikhi requires humility and love for Creator as an essential element. Kundalini awakening in mechanical manner does not create Love for the Creator/Lord/waheguru and hence it is discarded in sikhi. Following are some other observations/tuks of bani
ਨਿਉਲੀ ਕਰਮ ਭੁਇਅੰਗਮ ਭਾਠੀ ॥ Inner cleansing techniques, channeling the energy to raise the Kundalini to the Tenth Gate,
ਰੇਚਕ ਕੁੰਭਕ ਪੂਰਕ ਮਨ ਹਾਠੀ ॥ inhaling, exhaling and holding the breath by the force of the mind -
ਪਾਖੰਡ ਧਰਮੁ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਹਰਿ ਸਉ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦ ਮਹਾ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੧੪॥ by empty hypocritical practices, Dharmic love for the Lord is not produced. Only through the Word of the Guru's Shabad is the sublime, supreme essence obtained. ||14|| Kundalini awakening in Sikhism
Per sikhism, Kundalini awakening is automatic as per following:
ਕੁੰਡਲਨੀ ਸੁਰਝੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ ਗੁਰੂ ਮੁਖਿ ਮਚਾ ॥
The Kundalini rises in the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation; through the Word of the Guru, they enjoy the Lord of Supreme Bliss.
Humility, compassion and love for Lord besides other are essential elements of sikhi worship.
Waheguru...
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taranjeet Ji,
You have got it absolutely RIGHT jios...BUT you are in the company of a tiny minority...LIVING GURBANI to BECOME GURBANI is a "path" of Gurmatt that is valon nikki and sharp as the blade dhaar of a Khanda...and the Vast MAJORITY of Sikhs today are engaged in...simrans and saadhnas, some have lights on and others sit in darkness, some light dhoops and others light ghee jyots, soem sit on bare floors..others deep inside bhoras dug underground..some sit crosslegged..others hang their arms up or other weird positions,,some wear heavy maalas of steel *****..others of string, conch shells, some wear selhi topis..others wear hard hats..some keep their kesh long and open..others tie patkas etc etc etc..some chant waheguru waheguru..others har har..others fold arms across their chests..some breathe deeply..others shallowly....some wear loose choals other tight jeans..some shake heads violently..others hardly move...each group has its own "METHOD"...way..technique..etc etc..but the COMMON THREAD that Binds all these is they are MAN MADE.....GURBANI neither sanctions any such nor does it ENCOURAGE nor does it SHOW any such "methods/techniques/ways"...GURU NANAK JI personally TRAVELLED to all these places, teeraths and watched the PRACTIONERS of such saadhnas and simrans, yogas Masters, yogis, brahmcharees, siddhs, sadhus, pandits etc etc..and TOTALLY REJECTED their Methods and its written so in GURBANI. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304
The ONE and ONLY..Naam and Simran in Gurbani si to LIVE GURBANI practically as aHOUSEHOLDER practsing Kirt honest labour, waand chhaknna of the fruits fo that honest hard Labour and Live Life TRUTHFULLY..becasue High is TRUTH..BUT HIGHER STILL is TRUTHFUL LIVING...and Truthful living has to be PRACTICAL..and VISIBLE as Guru nanak ji lived in KartarPur in the concluding 20 years of His Earthly Life. Bhai Gurdass Ji mentions SHAAM da REHRASS DIWAN in SANGAT as a daily routine...of Guru nanak ji....early Mornings is as whats NORMAL for a Farmer ven Today..get up long before dawn...take the Bulls and the Plough, go to the FARM and begin Hall whaing..PLOGHING the Fileds before it gets too HOT. Then Cut the fresh Grass and bring it abck to the house for the cows etc..have some food and rest....and in the afternoon go back to the fields for a second tackle at ploughing etc..and as we all know a Farmers workday is never ending...its Hard HONEST labour..TRUTHFUL LIVING IN PRACTISE. Guru nanak ji had no time for such fanciful steel Maaalaas and huge karras and beads to string along..or sit around in darkened bhoras doing meditation..He PRACTISED what HE PREACHED.....TRUTHFUL LIVING and said so in His GURBANI... |
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Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page 154 Line 11 - "The four Vedas only speak of the visible forms. They describe and explain the three states of mind, but the fourth state, union with the Lord, is known only through the True Guru." Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33304
From the above, one cannot imply that the Vedas is the origin of Sikhism. Hinduism is limited to the 3 gunas Maya. But Sikhism reveals the Sach Khand realm which is not known in Hinduism. The Nirankar realm is neither subject to dissolution not destruction. |
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Originally Posted by harry haller better to be an honest thief than a dishonest sikh? | Kabeer says on Page 1367 Line 4,
Kabeer, even the dog of the devotee is good, while the mother of the faithless cynic is bad.
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Originally Posted by Astroboy Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page 154 Line 11 - "The four Vedas only speak of the visible forms. They describe and explain the three states of mind, but the fourth state, union with the Lord, is known only through the True Guru."
From the above, one cannot imply that the Vedas is the origin of Sikhism. Hinduism is limited to the 3 gunas Maya. But Sikhism reveals the Sach Khand realm which is not known in Hinduism. The Nirankar realm is neither subject to dissolution not destruction. | If you look at a quote from Gurbanee as
"Bhaee Re GuR Binu Giyan Naa Hoee
Pucho Brahma Narde Bed Biyase Koee"
Secondly the Nirankaar Realm is not Formleess as we understand this.
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