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Old 26-Nov-2009, 16:19 PM
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I agree -- a religion is not defined by industries it supports or does not support. The worship and protection of cows comes from a central Vedic belief. The worship and protection of cows is the result of a Vedic belief. It is not the cause of its own practice.

Another interesting thing about that -- there is another article posted today about the wholesale religious sacrifice of animals. Sacrifice of animals was also a practice among Hindus in Guru Nanak's time. Animal sacrifice serves/ed one purpose in the sanatan dharma-- what was it? Yet consumption was forbidden -- Why?

Another point to ponder then: Could it be that Hinduism is not a science and it also not a religion.
Dear Narayanjot Ji ,
In Rigveda there are specific mantras for Go megh yagya . What actually is this practice & is it still practiced ?
The Hindu : Beef eating: strangulating history
Indian food culture and history of asian curry recipes with food information from asia
Vegetarian Vs. Non-Vegetarian
Casteism in India and the Fallacies of Hindu Religion: Baba Saheb's writings part 6d:WHAT MADE THE BRAHMINS BECOME VEGETARIANS?




 
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Old 26-Nov-2009, 16:22 PM
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Here is another interesting article on how perfect beef eating Brahmins turned vegetarians .

Dalit Voice - The Voice of the Persecuted Nationalities Denied Human Rights
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hinduism/27996-hinduism-science-or-religion.html
3. Why beef-eating Brahmins became vegetarians:
The first organised protest movement against Brahminism was launched by the Budha and Untouchables joined it en masse. Dr. Ambedkar has discovered that before the Aryans invaded India, the language of India was Tamil. He said the war between Budhism and Brahminism and the defeat of the former resulted in its followers being driven out of the village limits. Brahmins, who were the deadliest enemies of Budhism, adopted the trick of sabotaging Budhism by infiltrating it. They conducted a war against Budhism both from without and within. And after vanquishing Budhism, they inflicted untouchability upon those defeated.

Another ingenious method the Brahmins adopted to destroy Budhism was to give up beef-eating and become strict vegetarians. The Brahmins were the most gluttonous beef-eaters and the Vedic texts have any number of references to their indiscriminate killing of cows and eating them. Killing brought them joy. In fact, cow was then reserved for the Brahmin stomach.

The Brahmins also excelled in drinking intoxicating liquor, sex and such other merry-making. When the Brahmins gave up eating beef other Hindus also followed them. If the non-Brahmins underwent one revolution by giving up beef-eating, Brahmins underwent a double revolution. They gave up meat-eating for the first time and became vegetarians.

To my mind, it was the strategy which made the Brahmins give up beef-eating and start worshipping the cow. The clue to the worship of cow is to be found in the struggle between Buddhism and Brahminism and the means adopted by Brahminism to establish its supremacy over Buddhism". (Dr. B.R. Ambedkar: Untouchables, W&S Vol. 7 p. 345).

Why the Brahmins resorted such a reckless adventure, a supreme sacrifice of giving up their greatest pleasure in life? Dr. Ambedkar says:
" Without becoming vegetarians, the Brahmins could not have recovered the ground they had lost in its revival, namely Buddhism". (Ibid p. 346).
Jews of India
Brahmins — whom we have described as the "Jews of India" (V.T. Rajshekar: Brahminism, DSA-2002)— have beaten the Jews in craftiness, deceit and treachery. They wanted to beat extremism with extremism. It is a fantastic strategy. The only way to beat Budhism was to go one step forward and become vegetarians.

Today, Brahmins (barring those in Kashmir and Bengal) are vegetarians and non-drinkers, though the yuppies among Brahmins have once again started meat-eating and drinking.

Non-violence was absorbed into Brahminism which from the day of the defeat of Budhism went on changing its name and recently it came to be called Hinduism. The Vedic religion of Brahminism was sacrificed to save Brahmins and destroy the revolutionary philosophy of Budhism and thus permanently condemn India to slavery and serfdom. That is how India, which has the world's largest but the most famished cattle population, turned into a cow-worshipper as a result of the triumph of Brahminism over Budhism. It was a means adopted by Brahmins to regain their lost glory. This supreme sacrifice of the Brahmins proves that the "Jews of India" are prepared to go to any extreme and make any compromise to save Brahminism.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27996

To them Brahminism became more important than India. Every foreign invader was invited by them to serve their selfish ends. India today is one of the poorest countries of the world, a sick nation, because of Brahminism. (V.T. Rajshekar: India as a Failed State, DSA-2004). Not only if the Untouchables are to be saved but if India itself has to be rescued, Brahminism will have to be destroyed. That is why the Untouchables, being the original owners of India, have decided to escape from the tyranny of Brahminism.
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I am sorry Dalbirk ji but I take above article as doubt.Dalitvoice.org is radical dalit site
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27996
probably supported by christians.They just spread hatred against hinduism so they can convert Dalits.

I too beleive that beef was part of ancient Indian diet but the sole purpose just to defeat budhism to stop beef eating is something I doubt
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The cow thing is quite recent in my opinion. Its obvious as you can see that killing cows is not allowed but leather has been used in footwear for a very long time. obviously some hindus were killing cows to make leather.
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Morover the method of worship is of dieties ( Devi Devtas ) & Karam Kand practices only , no moral teachings/ sermons are given . Just do this & your WISH SHALL BE FULFILLED .
To be honest, I have no problem with that. Religious groups should not be giving moral teachings because morals and socities change.

e.g. Look at the 10 commandments. Christians break almost all moral commandments.
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The cow thing is quite recent in my opinion. Its obvious as you can see that killing cows is not allowed but leather has been used in footwear for a very long time. obviously some hindus were killing cows to make leather.
Well earlier when leather demand was not so much then leather was obtained from skinning Dead cows and oxen.Not to forget that bufaaloes goats were always killed so leather could had been obtained from them
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I agree with dalbirk.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27996
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People in India statrted accepting Buddhism because it was peaceful religion. Buddhism denounce violence and preached love one another. Same was true for the Christians. Jews were violent people. Christ preached love peace. Not many Jews converted to Christianity pagans did adapt Christianity.

But why the Sikhs don’t eat beef? Why the gurus spoke against eating beef. Most Sikhs living in out side of Indian still don’t eat beef but they will eat other meat. We are not Hindus yet we follow them.
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I thought Sikhism respected other faiths, as mine but perhaps I was wrong. The title of this thread has put me off. Where is science in believing in the unseen.

I am offended by this thread.

"Any religion that subscribes to hell and heaven as Hinduism and many religions do, can not have anything to do with science because the concept itself shows that they are based on fear, anger, disdain,hatred and of course punishment."
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27996

I haven't been taught anything like this.

I am not going to say anything else in defense of my faith because it needs no defense.
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This has not been a discussion but veiled criticism

Members who do not accept the values of my faith should just say so:
!. Worship God
2. DO NO HARM-ahimsa
3. God is the essence of everything.

I surmise that some of you do not consider the beef industry doing harm.

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