Creation - Comparative Indic Perspectives

"You see when I learnt to drive (and maybe im alone on this) I didnt need the manual because I was first taught orally i.e through word."

Vj ~ No you are not alone on this. You are just as brain-dead as other 6.5 billion people on this planet. Perhaps you should take your turban off so that your brains can cool off. It is the only way you may perhaps learn to apply proper reasoning.
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If your dad taught you, and his dad taught him and so on, who taught the first humans who had no dads, had it not been for the manual (revelation)?



The analogy applies to revelation as the complete manual given to first human beings in the beginning by God, teaching us everything that we have now come to know. It was perfect and complete for all in all ages until the end of creation and doesn't need God to ever intervene again.

If Sikhs needed to be reminded of it, like the others needed to be reminded every now then, there was no one else for the last 2,500 years to do it, until Swami Dayanand came to the scene.

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Like Guru Nanak who invented a new religion, Swami Dayanand revived the ancient religion of the Vedas.

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VJ, VJ, VJ, VJ. Dont tell me I have hurt that mini ego of yours lil man by simply calling you out on the absurd assertions that you posted. VJ do you sometimes feel that you cannot fully express yourself in a mature manner like adults do? I think this runs deeper then the fact that your English skills arent very good. I mean, where does this pent up anger and this obsession to be right come from? Did your mum breast feed you when you were child? Or did you have to jump up and down, run, shout to get her attention as you are doing on this very forum.
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'If your dad taught you, and his dad taught him and so on, who taught the first humans who had no dads, had it not been for the manual (revelation)?'-VJ

Once again the language barrier has hit us. If you would just cast your eyes over my previous post you would see that the first man created by God, Yahweh, Allah was Adam with whom he communicated with directly and for whom he would produce 'miracles' daily. This would in itself destroy any doubt that Adam or Eve had when it came to the existence of God. Now as the good book(s) says (Torah, Bible, Quraan (?)) Adam carried out the original sin which would leave man in the state they are in today, doubting the existence of God. Which in itself would lead to the revelations of the 10 commandments, the Torah, The Bible (and the sacrifice of his son or his embodiement on earth in Christian Mythology), and the revelation of the Quraan. Now Im sorry if you feel insulted that your verdas and your Rik Veda dont make an appearance here but that is simply because they are not part of the Abrahamic Lineage of faiths.


'The analogy applies to revelation as the complete manual given to first human beings in the beginning by God, teaching us everything that we have now come to know. It was perfect and complete for all in all ages until the end of creation and doesn't need God to ever intervene again.'-VJ

Im sorry VJ but I don really give a toss mate. You can feel bad that your 'revelation' is over looked and you can even throw the little hissy fits that you have through this thread. Im not here to have a ****ing contest on which revelation is better because my mind is not that base. Every religion in the world promoted the teachings of its faith as perfect and the channel to God and spiritual enlightenment. So welcome to the mass heap my friend, you are one of many, many, many, many and like them will probably be over looked as you have already by most of man kind. If you want to go on an evangelical crusade to promote your manual I would recommend mass advertising-bumper stickers, radio Adverts, T Shirts, Massive Bill Boards saying 'Verdas No.1'!! However if you want to know why your piece of revelation is over looked by most of man then you need to stop being so angry and have an honest look deep inside. Ask yourself these honest questions-'why do athiests call it a fairy book?' 'Why do Christians call us heretics?'

'Vj ~ No you are not alone on this. You are just as brain-dead as other 6.5 billion people on this planet.Perhaps you should take your turban off so that your brains can cool off. It is the only way you may perhaps learn to apply proper reasoning.'

LOL ignorance must be bliss for the evangelical. I would loosen up my turban but im afraid i dont wear one. You might find this very hard to believe but I will try to get this point across to you...Only because this is a sikh forum doesnt mean everyone here is sikh.
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Has the penny dropped yet? How stupid do you feel?

Dzokhar -'Vj ~ No you are not alone on this. You are just as brain-dead as other 6.5 billion people on this planet.Perhaps you should take your turban off so that your brains can cool off. It is the only way you may perhaps learn to apply proper reasoning.'
LOL ignorance must be bliss for the evangelical. I would loosen up my turban but im afraid i dont wear one. You might find this very hard to believe but I will try to get this point across to you...Only because this is a sikh forum doesnt mean everyone here is sikh. Has the penny dropped yet? How stupid do you feel?
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Vj ~ Then your situation is even worst than a Sikh - now you have to get off your backside and give your brains some air.

Adam and Eve could not have been the first humans on earth, they only go back 6,000 years (Biblical age of creation), where as the Vedic concept of creation in this yuga, is almost 4 million years.
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Incest leads to mental and physical infirmities and thus the human race could not have its beginning by such immoral standards.

Regards,

Jios,
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We have to use just a little more restraint in our words. Believe me I am tempted to use strong language myself - but let's not do it. Keep it cool.

Vj ~ Then your situation is even worst than a Sikh - now you have to get off your backside and give your brains some air.
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What do you think of Sikhs? Wearing turban is a problem? Your master Daya Nand wore turban, didn't he? Did he write all hateful statements against others when he didn’t wear turban? Or otherwise? Who live in glass houses do not throw stones at others houses, you make sure it gets in your intellectual mind

Vj ~ Then your situation is even worst than a Sikh - now you have to get off your backside and give your brains some air.
Pk70 - What do you think of Sikhs? Wearing turban is a problem? Your master Daya Nand wore turban, didn't he? Did he write all hateful statements against others when he didn’t wear turban? Or otherwise? Who live in glass houses do not throw stones at others houses, you make sure it gets in your intellectual mind

Vj ~ I am aware of what he wore, but he didn't make it mandatory for all to wear.

Whoever (Gobin Singh?) made it mandatory for Sikhs to wear, is densed in ignorance, for it leads Sikhs to believe that without it they can't get to heaven.

Humans are fallible but yet we do not change the rules in the middle of a game. God is infallible and if religious symbols have come to be a new rule to get to heaven, then it most certainly has nothing to do with God.

Furthermore, I have no difficulty to assimilate in Western culture, for I don't have to constantly fight the system to wear a turban or carry a kirpan when the law says otherwise.
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Beware, those who live in lies will always be hurt by the truth.

Regards,

Gurfateh
Well it means that what so ever Swami Ji did should not be done by all. That means his pro Veda should also not be followed.OK let us go be the way that Swami told not to wear Turban to all but he did tell others to follow Vedas.

If we go by your logic.Had that swami put off his Turban then he would have been more sensible and may not have preached the Vedas.


why do not you try to keep hairs and have Turban so that emptness of your great mind is fullfilled forever.

As God is one with all Khalsa and Guru is one and God is God only because God is capable to change the world so as God changes the world so does god makes the newer rule.

We as Sikh do not go with adjusting to the situations but by mercy of true God change the sitution as we God wants us to change.

yuorelf stated that you have no difficulty to adjust/assimilate to western culture.Do you think it better then your vedic culture.

Akal Only knows.

Das is interested to know more about God from yourself.Let us first decide,what concept of God is there with in your mind dear Araya Samaji uncle?then we decide.Akal Bless.