20-Apr-2007, 15:49 PM
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God bless you. atleast you asked questions.first of all these are things one should not get involve but follow only the matter which means today. that is truth is highest vertu and higher than is truthful living. Nama is boat which will take you accross this lost society. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hinduism/15254-four-yugs-taken-from-hinduism.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254
to get involve in the history which is passed away ,even today will be history tomarrow but Nam is always eternal and living every moment by moment .so do not use your time to net picking and come to the ground to catch present . good luck.
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Jaspi and RajKhalsa,
Nit-picking is one more problem some of us take with us on the journey of life, because we are weak-- one more flaw-- and I hope that Satgur, whose heart is so big and compassionate, will help us with that. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254
Another problem that I wish could be solved is the problem of finding sources that can be trusted about the history and culture of northern India at the time of Guru Nanaak Dev. This thread and other threads as well touch on Hindu thought. It takes forever using Google to find things that could help me figure things out. Most of the reading that I would trust seems to be in India and is probably not written in English. There has to be good information here in US libraries but how does a person go about finding it. I have seen some information out in cyber-space on this and other issues, and no references. So how can you know if it can be trusted or not? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254
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23-Apr-2007, 19:12 PM
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Gurfateh to all.
Much of Gurbani deals with GURMATT by giving "examples" from "established" views....YUGS is one of those views.
If you read Sahib Sri Guru nanak Sahib jis shabd in Raag Ramklai Ashtpadian.."Soee chand charreh se tareh..soee duniar tapat reheah..sa dhartee sa pavan jhulareh..YUG JEEA kheleh thaav keseah.?? You will get GURU Jis answer as to whether there are YUGS or NOT. ( If you dont have the time to read further or are dying standing due to curiosity to know the answer...ITS NO. There are no such thing as Yugs.
After passing thru Pushkar and Agra Guru nank Ji and Mardana arrived at MATHRA Bindrabna..the Birthplace of Krishan Ji. Guru Ji happened to arrive on Krishan Jis Birthday This famous Mandir of Kriha was demolished by Aurengzeb in 1169 and turned into a MASJID. This was also the time for HOLI ( and anyone who has seen a bollywood film about HOLI will know what i am going to say next...) Bhai mardana Ji saw the DEBAUCHERY of the so called celebrations of Holi etc going on and asked Guru Ji..why are the people of Mathura so debauched? This hsouldnt be at such an important TEERATH - place of pilgrimage and hence so HOLY !! Before Guru Ji could answer some PANDITS and Brahmins standing nearby butted in....OH..its GHOR KALYUG..Times are SO BAD..evil rules this Age..blah blah blah blah. ( Almost word for word what we hear TODAY..whenever thee is news about a Father raping his child daughter..or Sant baba raping teenage girls in his dera..or a mother murdering her children..etc etc..GHOR KALYUG HAI JI..Zamana bahut BAD hai...blah blah blah...!!!!
What could be more DEVIOUS..Debauchery in the name of RELIGION..but when someone questions this....blame it on "KALYUG" !!! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254
What is GURU NANAK JIs ANSWER...??? ALL this kalyug thing is pure BULL. !!! ha ha ha.
Guru Ji told Mardana Ji to Play the rebaba..and Guru Ji SPOKE the Shabad..Soee chand...
Meaning ?? Guru Ji says..its the SAME MOON..the SAME SUN..the SAME STARS..the SAME Earth..the SAME WIND..the SAME WATER....from the Beginning of TIME..and TODAY as well as in 1523 when Guru nanak ji wrote this GURBANI. So whats DIFFERENT ?? Its the MEN !! A "good man" in SATYUG will NOT rape his daughter....the SAME GOOD MAN in KALYUG also wont rape his daughter. A BAD MAN will definitley RAPE hsi daughter..in Sat-yug, Dwapur Yug.. Treta Yug...Kalyug..and any other YUG !!!! Wake up GUYS..Guru Ji declares so clearly and OPENLY.."KALYUG" is not something that appears out of THIN AIR..its there all along in The EVIL MANN of BAD EVIL MEN and Women..it was there on DAY ONE..and will be there on the last Day !!!! It was there in 1523 in MATHURA the Holy City.....and its RESIDENT in the hearts of all the CONVICTED RAPISTS, murderers, serial killers robbers, etc that Over populate our PRISONS !!! TODAY. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254
Read the Entire Shaabd..Page 902 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.... it will BLOW your MIND of all these COBWEBS of Yugs and such fairy tales....We are SERIOUSLY HANDICAPPED when we IGNORE the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and beleive the various Sant babas, gyanis, ragis, parcharaks etc etc etc who are telling us things which are PATENTLY FALSE. Go to the SOURCE...the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji !!! and dispell all your doubts...
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23-Apr-2007, 19:30 PM
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Gyani ji
Many thanks for taking the time to write in detail. Thanks also for the ang. I will read this. What Nanaak says does not surprise me, but it does require some concentrated thought. And, your conclusion, let's start reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and take it as a serious guide came through loud and clear. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254
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23-Apr-2007, 19:51 PM
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254 Respected Saadh Sangat Ji, any body can live a Satyugi life at anytime just need to follow GURU JI- LIVE THE TRUTH TRUTHFULLY. And fake babas out there make this kalyug/satyug issue more glamrous to make their following, don't they  forgive me please |
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Janpreet ji
Thanks for the web page. There is plenty to ponder, wrap the mind around, as an intellectual puzzle. The details of thought. But do you also get the sense that if we put the information on the web page together with the words of Gyani ji and Surinder ji, that in the end, submerging our focus on yugas is pointless anyway? Possibly the idea of 4 yugas or 36 yugas is historically important but not fundamental to our connection with Satgur? Are we always in darkness until we are no longer in darkness at the will of the Divine? What are your thoughts? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15254
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25-Apr-2007, 13:31 PM
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Quote: | You will get GURU Jis answer as to whether there are YUGS or NOT. ( If you dont have the time to read further or are dying standing due to curiosity to know the answer...ITS NO. There are no such thing as Yugs. | Oh really?
Quote: | Read the Entire Shaabd..Page 902 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.... it will BLOW your MIND of all these COBWEBS of Yugs and such fairy tales....We are SERIOUSLY HANDICAPPED when we IGNORE the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and beleive the various Sant babas, gyanis, ragis, parcharaks etc etc etc who are telling us things which are PATENTLY FALSE. Go to the SOURCE...the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji !!! and dispell all your doubts... | Hmmm, then how come Gurbani says... Quote: soeI cMdu cVih sy qwry soeI idnIAru qpq rhY ] (902-15, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
so-ee chand charheh say taaray so-ee dinee-ar tapat rahai.
sw DrqI so pauxu Julwry jug jIA Kyly Qwv kYsy ]1] (902-15, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
saa Dhartee so pa-un jhulaaray jug jee-a khaylay thaav kaisay. ||1||
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The same moon rises, and the same stars; the same sun shines in the sky.
The earth is the same, and the same wind blows. The age in which we dwell affects living beings, but not these places. ||1||
| This doesn't blow my mind as speaking against yugs. It says very clearly the age in which we dwell affects living beings but not the place. So obviously beings are affected by the age. Further, Gurbani goes on to say... Quote: hovY prvwxw krih iD|wxw kil lKx vIcwir ]1] rhwau ] (902-16, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
hovai parvaanaa karahi Dhinyaanaa kal lakhan veechaar. ||1|| rahaa-o.
ikqY dyis n AwieAw suxIAY qIrQ pwis n bYTw ] (902-16, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
kitai days na aa-i-aa sunee-ai tirath paas na baithaa.
dwqw dwnu kry qh nwhI mhl auswir n bYTw ]2] (902-17, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
daataa daan karay tah naahee mahal usaar na baithaa. ||2||
jy ko squ kry so CIjY qp Gir qpu n hoeI ] (902-18, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
jay ko sat karay so chheejai tap ghar tap na ho-ee.
jy ko nwau ley bdnwvI kil ky lKx eyeI ]3] (902-18, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
jay ko naa-o la-ay badnaavee kal kay lakhan ay-ee. ||3||
ijsu iskdwrI iqsih KuAwrI cwkr kyhy frxw ] (902-19, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
jis sikdaaree tiseh khu-aaree chaakar kayhay darnaa.
jw iskdwrY pvY jMjIrI qw cwkr hQhu mrxw ]4] (902-19, rwmklI, mÚ 1)
jaa sikdaarai pavai janjeeree taa chaakar hathahu marnaa. ||4|
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Those who act like tyrants are accepted and approved - recognize that this is the sign of the Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||1||Pause||
Kali Yuga has not been heard to have come to any country, or to be sitting at any sacred shrine.
It is not where the generous person gives to charities, nor seated in the mansion he has built. ||2||
If someone practices Truth, he is frustrated; prosperity does not come to the home of the sincere.
If someone chants the Lord's Name, he is scorned. These are the signs of Kali Yuga. ||3||
Whoever is in charge, is humiliated. Why should the servant be afraid,
when the master is put in chains? He dies at the hands of his servant. ||4||
| Why is Gurbani clearly talking about signs that we are in an evil age...if there is no such thing as an evil age? Moreover, Gurbani does not contradict itself. Why is Gurbani talking about Yugs in other shabads as well?
Quote: kil kIriq prgtu cwnxu sMswir ] (145-12, mwJ, mÚ 3)
kal keerat pargat chaanan sansaar.
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In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Kirtan of the Lord's Praise has appeared as a Light in the world.
| Quote: gur kY bwix bjr kl CydI pRgitAw pdu prgwsw ] (332-18, gauVI, Bgq kbIr jI)
gur kai baan bajar kal chhaydee pargati-aa pad pargaasaa.
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The Guru's arrow has pierced the hard core of this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, and the state of enlightenment has dawned.
| Quote: sqjuig squ qyqw jgI duAwpir pUjwcwr ] (346-11, gauVI bYrwgix, Bgq rivdws jI)
satjug sat taytaa jagee du-aapar poojaachaar.
qInO jug qInO idVy kil kyvl nwm ADwr ]1] (346-11, gauVI bYrwgix, Bgq rivdws jI)
teenou jug teenou dirhay kal kayval naam aDhaar. ||1||
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In the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, was Truth; in the Silver Age of Trayta Yuga, charitable feasts; in the Brass Age of Dwaapar Yuga, there was worship.
In those three ages, people held to these three ways. But in the Iron Age of Kali Yuga, the Name of the Lord is your only Support. ||1||
| If there were no Yugs, and this was just "it will BLOW your MIND of all these COBWEBS of Yugs and such fairy tales....We are SERIOUSLY HANDICAPPED when we IGNORE the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and beleive the various Sant babas, gyanis, ragis, parcharaks etc etc etc who are telling us things which are PATENTLY FALSE. Go to the SOURCE...the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji !!! and dispell all your doubts..."
Indeed, go to the source... but how come Gurbani continually is talking about Yugs? And if this were not clear enough, even the vaaran of Bhai Gurdas is talking about Yugs. So one would have to conclude from the preponderance of the evidence...that there must be Yugs!
Quote: Vaar 1 Pauri 16 Activities in Kaliyug
kiljug kI suD swDnw krm ikrq kI clY n kweI]
kalijug kee sudhh saadhhanaa karam kirath kee chalai n kaaee||
Now listen to the discipline of kaliyug wherein nobody cares for the rituals.
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ibnW Bjn Bgvwn ky Bwau Bgq ibn TOr n QweI]
binaan bhajan bhagavaan kae bhaao bhagath bin thaar n thhaaee||
Without loving devotion none will get any place anywhere.
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lhy kmwxw eyq jug ipClIN jugIN kr kmweI]
lehae kamaanaa eaeth jug pishhaleen jugeen kar kamaaee||
Because of the disciplined life in the previous ages, the human form has been obtained in kaliyug.
Line 3 | Quote: Vaar 1 Pauri 23 of 49 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas
suxI pukwr dwqwr pRB gur nwnk jg mwihM pTwXw]
sunee pukaar dhaathaar prabh gur naanak jag maahin pathaayaa||
The benefactor Lord listened to the cries (of humanity) and sent Guru Nanak to this world.
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crn Doie rihrws kr crnwimRq is`KW pIlwXw]
charan dhhoe rehiraas kar charanaamrith skhiaan peelaayaa||
He washed His feet, eulogised God and got his Disciples drink the ambrosia of his feet.
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pwrbRhm pUrn bRhm kiljug AMdr iek idKwXw]
paarabreham pooran breham kalijug andhar eik dhikhaayaa||
He preached in this darkage (kaliyug) that, saragun (Brahm) and nirgun (Parbrahm) are the same and identical.
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cwrY pYr DrMm dy cwr vrn iek vrn krwXw]
chaarai pair dhharanm dhae chaar varan eik varan karaayaa||
Dharma was now established on its four feet and all the four castes (through fraternal feeling) were converted into one caste (of humanity).
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rwxw rMk brwbrI pYrIN pvxw jg vrqwXw]
raanaa rank baraabaree paireen pavanaa jag varathaayaa||
Equating the poor with the prince, he spread the etiquette of humbly touching the feet.
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aultw Kyl iprMm dw pYrW aupr sIs invwXw]
oulattaa khael piranm dhaa pairaan oupar sees nivaayaa||
Inverse is the game of the beloved; he got the egotist high heads bowed to feet.
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kiljug bwby qwirAw s`qnwm pVH mMqR suxwXw]
kalijug baabae thaariaa saathanaam parrh manthr sunaayaa||
Baba Nanak rescued this dark age (kaliyug) and recited ‘satinam’ mantr for one and all.
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kil qwrx gur nwnk AwXw ]òó]
kal thaaran gur naanak aayaa ||aa||
Guru Nanak came to redeem the kaliyug.
Line 8
| It seems that Gurbani is very clear there are such things as Yugs.
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Harjas Kaur Khalsa ji,
I am pleased to note that you have backtracked on Gyani ji's comments to find the real truth. We should never take anyones comments on face value. It is usually these academic individuals that tend to twist Bani. This is indeed the effect of Kalyug. The righteousness has indeed flown away.
I commend Surinder Kaur's efforts in trying to educate people. She is indeed doing a great service. But how many take her advice. Mostly people come here to let off their steam. The also go from Forum to Form and collect information like a magpie. Not having the sense or understanding of what is Right and Wrong. They use Gurus' Bani to promote their own Names. Quote: |
What could be more DEVIOUS..Debauchery in the name of RELIGION..but when someone questions this....blame it on "KALYUG" !!!
| He sounds very much like an agent of Kalyug himself. Quote: |
What is GURU NANAK JIs ANSWER...??? ALL this kalyug thing is pure BULL. !!! ha ha ha.
| This is not "Gyaani - ism", this is "Agyaani-ism". This shows the strength of Kalyug and how it can manipulate any individual. I do not blame Gyaani ji, he is only being used as an instuments by Kalyug. The further one moves away from Naam Simran, the more devestating the effects will be.
As you have already done, backtrack because anyone can be an agent. And that can include myself too. | 
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