Why do Indian Vegetarians have a problem with Eggs but not with Milk?

jasbirkaleka · #10 (**permalink**) 25-Jun-2012, 22:49 PM

Rigveda has numerous instances of animal sacrifice.

Swami Dayanand, in 1875 addition of Satyarth Parkash has advocated that,
'flesh should be used for performing havan morning and evening".(page45)
"it is lawful to kill a sterile cow and eat it"(page302)

Charak Samriti (pages 86-87) prescribed flesh of cow as a cure for various ailments such as
irregular fever,consumption, emaciation etc and cow fat for rheumatism.

Manusmriti does not prohibit the consumption of beef.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/health-and-nutrition/38699-why-do-indian-vegetarians-have-problem.html

Kalidas, in one of his plays, wants guests to be served tender calf meat.

Randip Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 25-Jun-2012, 23:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jasbirkaleka

Rigveda has numerous instances of animal sacrifice.

Swami Dayanand, in 1875 addition of Satyarth Parkash has advocated that,
'flesh should be used for performing havan morning and evening".(page45)
"it is lawful to kill a sterile cow and eat it"(page302)

Charak Samriti (pages 86-87) prescribed flesh of cow as a cure for various ailments such as
irregular fever,consumption, emaciation etc and cow fat for rheumatism.

Manusmriti does not prohibit the consumption of beef.

Kalidas, in one of his plays, wants guests to be served tender calf meat.

Jasbir Kaleka ji, I don't this the debate is so much about meat but about defining vegetarianism.

The Indian Vegetarian thinks eating eggs is bad yet drinking milk is OK? In the 21st century bioligy tells us that an egg can never become a life form. It is in effect part of a hens cycle. It is a waste product.

Milk however, is meant for the calf yet we as men steal it. The process by which milk is made is ineffect through cow's blood.

One could argue there is more life in milk than in eggs.

Why this hypocrasy. I would lover to hear a rationale from a lacto-vegetarian?

kds1980 · #12 (**permalink**) 26-Jun-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Randip Singh

Is it Hinduism or Vaishnavism, or something else completely different?

It is very difficult for humans to give up food which is deeply rooted in their culture.After the the hindu's adopted vegetarian diet the meat and egg dishes got practically extinct from mainland India.Milk and milk dishes were used for religous
ceremonies as well as to prepare tasty dishes.Giving up milk could mean for an Indian to give up large part of his/her diet and renounce tasty dishes.

Randip Singh · #13 (**permalink**) 26-Jun-2012, 23:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kds1980

It is very difficult for humans to give up food which is deeply rooted in their culture.After the the hindu's adopted vegetarian diet the meat and egg dishes got practically extinct from mainland India.Milk and milk dishes were used for religous
ceremonies as well as to prepare tasty dishes.Giving up milk could mean for an Indian to give up large part of his/her diet and renounce tasty dishes.

Indeed you are correct.

One argument I could possibly accept is the idea that people do not wish to eat flesh in a certain form i.e. solid. This despite milk being liquified flesh.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #14 (**permalink**) 27-Jun-2012, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Randip Singh

Indeed you are correct.

One argument I could possibly accept is the idea that people do not wish to eat flesh in a certain form i.e. solid. This despite milk being liquified flesh.

I think its simply "prejudice"..look at how GROSS a normal person would feel when passing through a typical Meat Market in say..Cambodia...there are all sorts of wild life, insects, creatures one has never even seen before..laid out as "food"...people buying cockroaches and crunching on them like peanuts..or drinking live cobra blood while the snake is being skinned alive..etc etc..
Just yesterday i saw a hilarious ad for Aircel on sat..a diner ordered a dish just by pointing at the menu..and later wanted to conform what he was eating was chicken..so he called the waiter and flapped his arms..(Meaning IS THIS Chicken ?)..but the waiter shook his head and said Woof Woof ..(meaning its dog meat)..and the Catch Phrase..You get what you READ !!

So a lot of Indians/plus a lot others too... have been brainwashed to accept liquified flesh as Good and healthy and HOLY..while the bloo.dy type prepared by Sadhna the Butcher is Gross.japposatnamwaheguru:

Randip Singh · #15 (**permalink**) 28-Jun-2012, 18:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

I think its simply "prejudice"..look at how GROSS a normal person would feel when passing through a typical Meat Market in say..Cambodia...there are all sorts of wild life, insects, creatures one has never even seen before..laid out as "food"...people buying cockroaches and crunching on them like peanuts..or drinking live cobra blood while the snake is being skinned alive..etc etc..
Just yesterday i saw a hilarious ad for Aircel on sat..a diner ordered a dish just by pointing at the menu..and later wanted to conform what he was eating was chicken..so he called the waiter and flapped his arms..(Meaning IS THIS Chicken ?)..but the waiter shook his head and said Woof Woof ..(meaning its dog meat)..and the Catch Phrase..You get what you READ !!

So a lot of Indians/plus a lot others too... have been brainwashed to accept liquified flesh as Good and healthy and HOLY..while the bloo.dy type prepared by Sadhna the Butcher is Gross.japposatnamwaheguru:

A brilliant point. So it's all relative to what that person findss aceptable? This sounds like Nanakian philosophy?

Taranjeet singh · #16 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Randip Singh

This question is not about Sikhism, but about the Indian mentality.

In the West vegetarians (not vegans), tend to eat eggs.

In India vegetarians drink milk but do not eat eggs.

Those of you who understand the biological process involved in both will know milk contains far more living organisms (like fat cells and blood cells) than eggs (which is a waste product and unfertilised).

I would request people don't get confused between a fertilised and unfertilised eggs. A fertislised egg produces a chick. An unfertilised egg produces nothing.

I asked a vegan friend of mine this question and her response was Indians are dumb and shouldn't be drinking milk if they don't want to eat any flesh (milk ineffect is liquified flesh). A bit of a generalisation on Indians from a very Liberal person, but it was her view.

her links on Cow milk:

http://www.veganoutreach.org/dairy/

http://www.chooseveg.com/dairy.asp

On how eggs are produced:

http://www.chow.com/food-news/54729/...rtilized-eggs/

Let us look at few facts before you arrive at some conclusion.

India is not a rich country.The per capita income of Indians is about 3 Dollar. India might have been ranked as world's 11 the economy in terms of GDP but per capita GDP would be would be dismal. India might have been termed as developing economy but it shall take time before it can be considered as a force to be reckoned with. Geography and history has not been kind enough to it.Lots of resources are wasted on keeping its neighbours in appropriate place.It all costs money at the cost of development.

India being thickly populated by Hindus has been considered as vegetarian society. There is a cultural heritage to not to consume eggs on account of fact that eggs are considered as 'excereta' of hen as it is thrown out of excretory hole of the same. It is considered as unholy by many. No one can change this mentality. Secondly, eggs cost these days about One Dollar a dozen and price of some cheap pulses is about the same or little higher. Eggs may serve as a single meal of a middle class family while 1 kg of pulse may be enough for four of five servings. The reason is thus twin fold , the sheer economics coupled with cultural heritage of majority of Indians. Things are changing though. However, I find nothing sarcastic though in the proposition stated above.

A misconception is to be removed in regard to whether milk is a liquefied meat.It is not so. Liquefied milk is a different concept. Liquefied meat is a form of meat.[refer wiKipedia].Milk is different altogether. It is a common knowledge that milk is processed in the udders of cow or mammary glands of the mother. But just because it is produced from blood it does not mean that milk is a blood. A child sucks milk from mother's breast without killing her. The claim that while consuming milk one is consuming blood has no validity either scientific or otherwise.It is a notion that has no scientific basis

Coming to second point as to why milk is being consumed; It is a source of cheap nourishment even for the lower middle class family who is not bothered about microbes or other living organism that it may contain. It is the way the nature exists. and we respect Nature. Milk is considered Holy and that is why Harmandar sahib, where Sri Guru Granth saheb is to be installed daily is washed and cleaned by diluted milk.

There is no scope of further debate unless one wants to enter into for the sake of it.

E & .O.E

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #17 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2012, 07:28 AM

"""""<<<>Milk has been considered as holy and it is offered to Gods. Bhagat Namdev ji..." Doodh pee-o Gobinday raa-e. Doodh pee-o Mayro man Patee-a[ang 1163]

In this verse Bhagat Nam dev ji prays to God to take milk.Listening to the prayer, God Almighty appeared in person and drank the milk and Bhagat ji happily walked to his home. Can anyone imaging the Milk being replaced by Blood? Could Namdev ji have offered glass of blood to to God instead of milk? Something to ponder.<<<<<< In this Verse Bhagat namdev Ji says..I have "milked" the Snow-White COW...placing its milk in a GOLDEN VESSEL, and Water in another vessel..and offered it up to HIM..

In another verse Bhagat Namdev Says..I have used the GOLDEN NEEDLE, threaded with the SILVER thread and SEWED together MY HEART with HIM )

Its very clear and Transparent that Bhagat Namdev Ji is USING METAPHORS and not REAL GOLDEN VESSELS and Silver Threads and really SEWING up his Mann/Mind/heart !! To take the verses LITERALLY as "MILK form a Cow put in a vessel and offered t Him and He actually DRANK it and showed His happiness" is ??? The Golden VEssel is Namdev's Heart/mind/mann...and the Holy MILK within is the MILK/AMRIT of NAAM...and that is what makes HIM GLAD !!! ( and remember the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a LIVING PRACTICAL TOOLBOX with Practical TOOLS we all can use and this "experience that Namdev Ji had with HIM is NOT a One-off thing that happened 700 years ago..IT CAN and DOES HAPPEN DAILY anywhere a Genuine BHAGAT SIKH like You and ME...OFFERS the Milk of Amrit NAAM to HIM on a Silver Platter (another Common Metaphor and there is no need to go and buy a real Silver Platter esp with the SOARING SILVER PRICES TODAY which "poor" Indian esp a BHAGAT NAMDEV TYPE can afford to buy GOLD vessels, Gold Needles, Silver Threads and sew Hearts and Minds ??? Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a PRACTICAL TEACHER..so lets be PRACTICAL guys....!! Born with a Silver SPOON in the mouth type of Bhagat possibly could have done all these but then it has already been ESTABLISHED that INDIANS are Really DIRT POOR then and Now ).....People - HE accepts a "HEART OF GOLD....filled to the BRIM with the Naam Amrit MILK of LOVE..and then HE "Smiles and SETTLES DOWN - "goes Home" RIGHT INSIDE OF YOU !! where his HOME really IS. That is the actual and real Meaning of the Bhagat namdev Verses on Page 1163. No cows, no gold vessels, no silver water vessels, no gold needles, no silver threads..NOTHING of the Sort....and certainly no "milk drinking ganesh.thakur/god etc"...Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a PRACTICAL MANUAL with Practical TOOLS we ALL Can and MUST USE daily.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38699
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38699

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #18 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2012, 07:54 AM

What an Indian says about Fellow Indians....90% of Indians still beleive in Astrology.numerology/stars/planets/ bad luck/good luck/ wont do certain things on certain days, etc etc etc...even Judges wont hear cases on "bad days"/....

http://www.rozanaspokesman.com/fullp...iew=01&pview=6