Sikh Illuminati

bopadum · #19 (**permalink**) 18-Jun-2006, 17:40 PM

You till have not said which book it is by Kuhwant singh and how the Nishan Sahaab is some form of repreentation of Allah to be read from both sides...
You arecoming up with random stuff and not actually helping me to find things out...
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and I take it when you say Das you arew refering to yourself?
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vijaydeep Singh · #20 (**permalink**) 18-Jun-2006, 18:17 PM

Gurfateh

Well you know about our Nishan Sahib,then look at Allah from either side.

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See just in the middle and enlarge it.Another place to find it is Flag of Iran.

And book das read when he was in eight standard but it is two volume and perhaps has the name History of Sikhs.

http://allaboutsikhs.com/person/khushwantsingh.htm
A book, "A history of Sikhs" by him remains to this day a well-researched and scholarly work. It is a classic two-volume book on Sikh History and is used as reference by many scholars.
https://www.vedamsbooks.com/no14556.htm

A History of the Sikhs/Khushwant Singh. Reprinted with corrections. 1999, 2 vols., 944 p., maps.
Contents: Vol. 1: 1469-1839: Preface. I. The Punjab and the birth of Sikhism: 1. The Sikh homeland. 2. Birth of Sikhism. 3. Building of the Sikh church. 4. The call to arms. 5. From the Pacifist Sikh to the Militant Khalsa. II. The agrarian uprising: 6. The rise and fall of Banda Bahadur. 7. Persecution of the Sikhs and the reorganisation of the Khalsa Army. 8. Ahmed Shah Abdali and the Sikhs. 9. From the Indus to the Ganges. III. Punjab monarchy and imperialism: 10. Rise of the Sukerchakia Misl. 11. Maharajah of the Punjab. 12. Suzerain of Malwa. 13. British annexation of Malwa: treaty of Lahore, 1809. 14. Consolidation of the Punjab. 15. Extinction of Afghan power in Northern India. 16. Europeanisation of the army. 17. Dreams of Sindh and the sea. 18. Across the Himalayas to Tibet. IV. Appendices: 1. Janamsakhis and other sources of information on the life of Guru Nanak. 2. Adi Granth or the Granth Sahib. 3. Bhai Gurdas. 4. Dasam Granth. 5. Hymns from the Adi Granth. 6. Treaty of Lahore, 1809. 7. Tripartite treaty of 1838. Bibliography. Index.
Vol. 2: 1839-1988: Preface. I. Fall of the Sikh Kingdom: 1. The Punjab on the death of Ranjit Singh. 2. First Anglo-Sikh war. 3. The Punjab under British occupation. 4. Second Anglo-Sikh war. II. Consolidation of British power in the Punjab: 5. Annexation of the Punjab. 6. Sikhs and the mutiny of 1857. 7. Crescat e Fluviis. III. Social and religious reform: 8. Religious movements. 9. Singh Sabha and social reform. IV. Political movements: Marxist, national and sectarian: 10. Rural indebtedness and peasant agitation. 11. World War I and its aftermath. 12. Xenophobic Marxism. 13. Gurdwara reform: rise of the Akali immortals. 14. Constitutional reform and the Sikhs. V. Politics of partition: independence and the demand for a Sikh homeland: 15. Sikhs and World War II (1939-1945). 16. Prelude to the partition of India. 17. Civil strife, exodus, and resettlement. 18. A state of their own. 19. Prosperity and religious fundamentalism. 20. The Anandpur Sahib resolution and other Akali demands. 21. Fatal miscalculation. 22. Assassination and after. 23. Elections and the accord. 24. Foreign connections and Khalistan. VI. Appendices: 1. Cultural heritage of the Sikhs. 2. Treaty between the British Government and the state of Lahore, March 9, 1846. 3. Articles of agreement concluded between the British Government and the Lahore Durbar on March 11, 1846. 4. Articles of agreement concluded between the British and the Lahore Durbar on December 16, 1846. 5. Mr. Suhrawardy's statement on the Riots, September 30, 1946. 6. Anandpur Sahib resolution. 7. Revised list of 15 demands received from the Akali Dal by Government in October, 1981. Bibliography. Index.
"First published in 1963, this is the standard and well-established book on its subject. It is accessible to a general, non-scholarly audience, while being based on scholarly archival research.
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"Volume 1 covers the social, religious and political background which led to the forming of the Sikh faith in the fifteenth century. Basing his account on original documents in Persian, Gurmukhi and English, the author traces the growth of Sikhism and tells of the compilation of its sacred scriptures in the Granth Sahib.
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"The transformation of the Sikhs from a pacifist sect to a militant group called the Khalsa led by Guru Gobind Singh is portrayed in detail, as is the relationship of the Sikhs with the Mughals and the Afghans, until the consolidation of Sikh power under Maharaja Ranjit Singh.
"Volume 2 continues Khushwant Singh's history of the Sikhs, taking up the thread at the death of Maharaja Ranjit Singh in 1839, and focusing on the continuing Sikh struggle for survival as a separate community. The development of religious, sociological, and political movements under British expansionism and the threat of Muslim domination are explored. The author chronicles the years following Indian independence, marked by the demand for a distinct Sikh state, and presents the events leading up to and following 'Operation Blue Star' when the Indian army entered the Golden Temple in 1984."
[Khushwant Singh is a renowned journalist, and an authority on Sikh history.]

And yes Das means vijaydeep Singh.

Gurfateh

Das is in process to re post the Allah from either side.

bopadum · #21 (**permalink**) 19-Jun-2006, 23:19 PM

That flag is nothing to do with sikhism:
1. it only came into force in 1979
2. it is four cresents a sword and a tulip to resemble the word Allah
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3. the Khanda is three swords and a Chakar.

So of anything the iranian flag has copied the Khanda. As Before this it was a lion with the sun in the background. And before all this iran is a new country which was only created in the 1940s...

vijaydeep Singh · #22 (**permalink**) 21-Jun-2006, 13:10 PM

Gurfateh

Iran is union of various sub nations like Balochistan,Turan,Zaidan,Faras among other.But as all are Aryan so thier country is known as Iran(Aryaan).Another thing which is coomen is Shiaism.
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As per that Imam Mehdi is already here on earth and will appear landing on Mecca which five blue cloatherd men with turbans called Khalasis(librators) and that was forecasted before Panth was made.

Bro to write Allah in arebic we write form left to right

Hamza Tashdded Lamm Alif

And it is clear from both the side.This is symbol of Shiaism which as per Sura 2 says Allah on west and in east.So it is very old Symbol of Shiaism but came to flag after Iran became first and only Shia Nation.Das wrote it as das thinks that yourself perhaps are yet to learn Farsi or Arebic script.Das may be wrong here.
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Anyway in Dasham Granth Akal is called Asi Ketu ie Sabre Embalme or one whose flag as swrod on it.Other name is Karag Ketu meaning is same.Perhaps it may mean that Shiasim and Gurmat have one Source as Vedanta have and that is Akal.Just views.

BSD416 · #23 (**permalink**) 30-Jun-2006, 07:54 AM

Let me start my reply by saying that we are sikhism. By "we" I mean all the people who believe in the one god and the teachings of the one god as revealed by the gurus. I am a part of sikhism and so is everyone who has responded to this post, if we are not a part of this "illuminati" then how can anyone propose that sikhismis a part of it? This idea of an illuminati I think applies more to politics than it does to the faith of the masses. For example If one were to look at the various political parties of the Canada and the Un ited States(especially) you may notice that there isn't much of a difference between them. The conservatives aren't so conservative and the liberals aren't all taht liberal. They make different promises but do the same thing, nothing. Thats your illuminati, the fact that like minded, self-serving people run some of the worlds most powerful nations giving the voters the illusion of having a real choice. Its no great conspiracy, it just happened because those in power want to stay in power.

harsimiritkaur · #24 (**permalink**) 29-Mar-2012, 09:46 AM

It appears that the illuminati use alot of Hindu symbols which have also crept into so called Sikhism today.

When I preach in the gurdwaras, I do not tolerate worship of baba ji sants, idol worship, dasam granth, etc.

Perhaps some of the symbols were incorporated into Sikhism to encourage people to remember them for good reasons, not for exploitational purposes, and not for idol worship.

Now I understand why I am not allowed to preach or do kirtan in the bigger gurdwaras in the area where I live. Maybe the illuminati took control of the damdami taksaalis and Nanaksar Sikhs, whose customs and philosophy I do not completely agree with. They control 99% of Sikhism in the bay area of California, and 99% of large gurdwaras, and most of the pindu Sikh villages in India where people are not too educated in Guru Granth Sahib philosophy and are brainwashed into blind faith.
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I hope the Illuminati has not bought out the akal takht and shromani committee, by planting animosity seeds against each other and against Gurmat Missionary colleges to cause disunity among the Sikhs so that the bad brahmans wearing Sikh costumes can come in and cause Sikhs to regress back into brahmanism.

I am not against Hindus or Brahmans, only against what the bads ones do.
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Kyatris are not all Aryan descent. Where is the proof?

The less our Sikhs understand Guru Granth Sahib teachings, the worse it will be for Sikhs, if there will be any left after the mass Hinduization of Sikhs has already begun. They are 50 steps ahead of true Sikhs, making Sikhism look like a stupid religion to outsiders so as to disuade more people from joining Sikhism.

Navdeep88 · #25 (**permalink**) 29-Mar-2012, 10:24 AM

Ok, Please get a grip. Yes the "illuminati" or whatever forces exist b/c their main concern is gaining money, and power, and fame and stuff, that's it.. why anyone would assume they have any connection to or even any power in Sikhism or any other faith-based organisation, I don't know. The Illuminati is about people, NOT GOD. And if you have any experience with God, you'd know that you can't will things to happen, we have very little power, we are just here to endure and be good through it, thats it, not to believe in some hocus pocus that will result in temporary and ultimately fatal crap like money and fame. All that stuff fades away, who takes it with them? Therefore, I don't think anybody needs to worry about "Satanic symbols" or anything holding any power, in the face of good. Which is exponentially greater and will always be, people who use their own will in a bad way are swallowed up by the tide ultimately and have to work their way up again on the karmic or whatever scale you believe. Point blank: God's incharge, not people. Therefore, the illumaniti or other such man-made organizations to seduce, take power away from other human beings are not even relevant, they're just dumb. Yes, they may gain some temporary power or even some success, but God watches... and assorts all affairs. Therefore, I don't think anybody of faith needs to worry about Illuminati or garbage like that.

Luckysingh · #26 (**permalink**) 29-Mar-2012, 11:21 AM

Navdeep ji,
You say the illuminati is all about people and money. This is true in the sense that's what all the world seems to be about nowadays.
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It's interesting but we can't just ignore any of these secret societies.They all do seem to have some relative influences on goverments, countries and thus the whole world.

I know that in terms of sikhism it is all crazy and rubbish. But, I always stay open for any views, since the illuminati were formed to create a new world order. Interestingly, their initial goals were for ONE world under ONE God- this is their root belief, from what I know.Sikhs, also believe in ONE god only. As they are a secret society, no one knows everything from a-z about them.
However, I believe the one new world order is the aim as such that the world would not be divided as it is. This way all religions and races would unite and there would be just world leaders not leaders leading seperate countries as we have at the moment.
It sounds very ideal if it were possible, there would be no dividing, no wars, no global problems...etc...
In terms of sikhs and Punjab, if the illuminati had their way there would be no dividing India and Pakistan, Punjab wouldn't be controlled as a part belonging to India. Instead there would be uniform rule over complete Pakistan,Punjab, India and all asia. This way we wouldn't experience the problems of today.

I'm not saying we should support,applaud or encourage people like illuminati. But, if someone suggests there may be some involvement, then I would look into it to see what is going on!! I feel sometimes we can benefit and learn from comments made by others that seem ridiculous.
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I personally never thought about it, but have just come to the attention of this post. I shall go ahead and read the posts to maybe get some understanding one way or the other. I think it's ignorant sometimes to just assume something's not valid without ever researching the facts.

Sat sri akal

Navdeep88 · #27 (**permalink**) 29-Mar-2012, 11:56 AM

LuckySingh Ji,

I think you have a very Naive Idea of what the Illuminati is, and the reprecussions of having the world under one rule, that would be horrid, oftentimes its the voice of disent that leads to growth, whether it is through accepting it or contesting it, its a learning process. I don't think it's ok to vouch for one world power b/c that would mean many many people, and their wonderful ideas would be stiffled at the cost of running everything "smoothly"., and we all know how that's acheived, by throwing people into ghoulags, and worse, by killing them and stuff. Horrible horrible things, none of which are needed today.
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The second part is the measure that politicians will go to, to hold onto that power, we only need to look at the popular Communist regimes to have an idea to the extent which the leaders went to hold onto that power. Thus, I vouche for Diversity, and democracy. And that too of independent nations b/c its important to have power well distributed throughout the world.