The Search for Statehood

For the most part, the movement for the creation of a separate Sikh homeland, called Khalistan (east-israel ??) is a mission being pursued by so called ‘Diaspora Neo-Sikhs’ who have made some money, have mustered up enough ambition to play politics, are not happy with crumbs being thrown at them by their host societies and, therefore, have chosen to play havoc at home where dollars, DMs and pounds can buy more rabble-raisers than they would in these parts. These protagonists of Khalistan are courting martyrdom by proxy. They have nothing much to loose if the movement fails.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/8815-the-search-for-statehood.html

Their outrage at Operation Blue Star is as phoney as a three-rupee-note. I, for one, hold no brief for the army action in Amritsar. (The terrorist misusing the sanctuary of the Golden Temple could have been, and should have been, routed out much earlier and in a far simpler operation. Mrs Gandhi was badly advised at the time and she paid for it with her life.) But where were these ‘Diaspora’ defenders of their faith when Bhindaranwale and his gun-toting goons were fortifying the innermost sanctums of this holy shrine and defiling Guru Nanak’s message of peace and harmony.

Thankfully at last that Bhindrawalla was killed in a 'Rat-Hole' inside the Golden Temple. And I am proud of my army getting rid of that traitor. He was no different from the Pathan youth who was taken in as a God-Son by the tenth Guru had stabbed and killed the Guru while he was asleep.

The 10th Guru, Guru Gobind Singh, the creator of Khalsa, also gave his life and the life of his sons, defending the profundity of the Hindu tradition. When he declared that henceforth there shall be no more temporal Gurus and that in future the Sikhs should follow the teachings of their forefathers contained in the Granth, he gave us a kind of written constitution which could not be tampered with the opportunists on the path of history. When he uttered ‘take the Good Book to be the Guru’ (Guru maniyo Granth), he did not create a new idol for idiots to worship; he urged them to use their brains and read the teachings of their forefathers and absorb the profundity thereof to their lives.

Culturally, ethnically, ancestry-wise, the Hindus, the Sikhs and Mussalmans of Punjab are no different from each other. They are, almost all, plain, hardworking, gregarious peasants who love life and lead it boisterously. This demand for a state called Khalistan has no validity on any ground.

To enumerate some reasons for this ‘contentious’ claim of mine, I would like to point out that :

(1) not all Sikhs come from Punjab; they are spread all over the subcontinent. Tenth guru, Guru Gobind Singh himself was born in Patna, Bihar and did not even speak Punjabi: most of his work is composed in Awadhi, Braj-bhasha and Farsi.

(2) Sikhs have never had a state. They made conquests and raised kingdoms, i.e. the Sikh kingdom of Ranjit Singh. Kingdoms don’t constitute a state and don’t allocate a nationality to the dwellers of that kingdom; they merely denote a temporal possession which is like quicksand and often changes with the passage of time.

The Neo Sikh fail to understand that Sikhism was not just the beginning of a thought process but also a culmination of the Bhakti-Movement that started in India long before Guru Nanak. Kabir (1398-1495) and Namdev (1270-1350) were not even Punjabi. I, son of an amrit-dhari Sikh, has always been brought believing that I am a Hindu. They say, "Read the Granth-Sahib and you will know that Sikhism is different from Hinduism," I would like to ask self styled scholars on religion how the Granth-Sahib (composed in Punjabi, Persian, medieval Prakrit Hindi and Marathi, Sanskrit as well as Arabiccan) be considered the ultimate when it does not carry even a single composition by Guru Gobind Singh except , Slok 54 (attributed), panna 1429, Raga Jayawanti. The only book that carries the compositions of Guru Gobind Singh is the Dasam-Granth but even the SGPC, leave alone provide for reading, doesn’t even list it on its official web-site. The tenth Guru was born (a very important chapter in Indian history) in Patna but Gurudwara Patna-Sahib finds no mention in the list of Historical Gurudwaras in the SGPC web-site. Why do the Hard-liners continue to deny the only source of the tenth Gurus compositions ? Is it because, in the Dasam-Granth, originally composed in Brij-Bhasha by the Guru, Gautam Buddha finds mentions as an ‘avatar’ of Vishnu ? If Guru Gobind Singh gave the Sikh two books to follow why did the akalis 200 years after his passing replace the Dasam-Granth with just one under the influence of the British ? The British law still states that Sikh are not just a separate religion but an altogether distinct race from the Hindus. That renders a person like me without a parentage.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

Sikhism means following ones own feet and searching for ones own truth instead of being just a parrot prompted by other parrots. And I'm sure Nanak, Buddha, Krishna would approve. The Neo-Sikh and the Khalistanis can continue to believe that a Sikh is distinct from a Hindu but I know that they believe so, not because they are a separate religion but because they want to be.


Thanks.

 
Do share your immediate thoughts or reactions on this issue? We value your views! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views with us.. Gurfateh!

that must be the biggest pile of trash i have ever read on this site, go back to the mandir and pray to the 8-legged freaks you call a god.

Your statement doesnot make any sense

Caliing Khalistan East isreal is just nonsense Isreal was not formed by armed struggle but infact once it was formed it was defended by armed struggle . on the very second day of freedom it was attacked by Arabs

About Khalistan as pointed out earlier on the website ( By SIKH but you seems t ignore anything written here and go on prpagaying you self created baseless ideas))was not planned to be a sikh state but instead True democratic state where some idiot Politicins could not spoil the peacful living of all Hindu Sikhs Muslims living in Punjab. And Sikhs Know how live Gracefully with with others even when they are monrity as Rightly pointed by you in the time of Maharaja Ranjit Singh .

Now Second point , And Learn this for rest of your Life and Dont rpeat your adsurd ideas again

Shasters or Wepons or Dasam Patsha are placed in AkalTakhat and carrying wepons does not Disrupt the Sanctity of our religious places and the Place in Question is Akal Takhat Where Sixth Master Sri Guru Hargobind Ji Beastowed Miri amd Piri to Sikhism and Marked the Active Armed Phase of Sikh Development .
But Definately Killing thousands of inncent People in the Premises and Literally Blowing down the Building with tank do Disrupt the Sanctity of Gurudwars and religious places
And as always has happened in many times before with the will of Akal the person responsible had to pay with his/her blood the price of it

Now
The imortant thing here I dont know what is on your mind when you use Phrase Rat Hole

But Particularly I think that The chances of having Rat Holes is more in your Mandirs and Temples Because your godly Figure like Ganesh ji Loves to ride on It

About Bhindranwale I am not going to convince you about anything asuume what ever you like but he was just Target of Political Game played by People like Indra Gandhi and he was Simple enough at his heart to understand the cruel politics
But definately he ws the man Who use to say gain and gain that Hindu should become Good Hindu Muslim Should become good Muslim and had many Hindu loyal friends


Here I would like to inform that Issue of Dasam Granth it is better if you dont disscus ( It will be good for your mental health ) As it is essentially serve a god purpose to Answer Misguided Hindu / Aryasmaji who is like Gwachi GAAN or Lost Cow . It s the book which make real fun of almost all the dieties in the form of various stories in which Shivji Brahma Vishnu run for their life and even become Tranvestite ( wera womens cloath ) to save their life

Infact it is debateble issue in Sikh Panth and Offcourse It has been approve at Akal Takhat that It is written By tenth master

About SGPC whose functioni g I doubt myself and which is controlled by Idiots and trators like BADAL so I take no Offence what ever you say about them

So it is kind of Mis Fortune of Sikh panth that we havent arrived at concensous about tenth master Bani Other wise People like you have dared posting your ideas

Before reading your post I was Just Doubting you and your misguided Ideas But now saying you are son of Amritdhari Father you have made even your father questionable

So I advise you that keep it yourself otherwise as British has left you without Parentage your misguided pursuit will make your parentage really questionable!

I again assert here for your information that Sikhism is not for punjabi alone infact it is just coincidence that most of the Sikhs live in Punjab Infact it is a Universal Faith


As rightly mentioned by you Sikhs are not just for punjab so they wil take over whole Bharat Nation and make it khalistan and as The sikh scripture ids written in so many languages what else proof you are looking for . it very clearly signals that its message is going to take over all these people




Jatinder Singh

>>>Culturally, ethnically, ancestry-wise, the Hindus, the Sikhs and Mussalmans of Punjab are no different from each other.<<<
Oooo so thats the card trick your trying to play, well then I guess an indian is not ethnically different from a jamaican either- considering we all share a common hunter-gatherer traditions and all came from Africa through the evolutionary chain?

This is where you are wrong!

Again this subject comes down to group formation (READ ANYTHING ON GROUP FORMATION, GEORGE SIMMEL or any other sociologist)

A Hindu is distinct from a Sikh (Khalistani) on both an ideological level as well as on the group level, only a dimwit would see otherwise!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

Haven't you ever heard the word COLLECTIVE CONSCIENCE??????

Your post seriously lacks a common understanding of rationality because you have failed differentiate ideological religion from institutional religion! HINDUISM EXISTS ON AN INSITUTIONAL LEVEL AS DOES SIKHI!
They are in their domains entirely different entities!

PROOF OF THE COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUS WITHIN HINDUISM (HINDUISM AS AN INSTITUTIONAL ENTITY):
As I have said before:
Hindu's have a collective identity, a sense of binding force that allowed them to carry out the genocide amongst the sikhs in 1984 (note: nationality did not unite the hindu's because their existed another minority within India, the muslims. The muslims did not participate in the Genocide). The Hindu is distinct from the sikh because they have their sense of the collective and sikhs have their own.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

sorry if I sound harsh but,
From the likes of your post something tells me you have no conception of societal structure and the functioning of its respective divisions.

drkhalsa,

Thats a typical Neo-Sikh response coz only a Neo-Sikh will believe that it's impossible to say any thing against Sikhism. But you have missed my point. Bet allow me to inform you that I am my own Sikh, clean-shaven, son of an amrit-dhari father anda Sikhnee mother and belong to a family that have no problem in calling a spade a spade and never allow some semi-literate Granthi to interpret the Guru's teachings for us.

In all probability every Indian might have to face the same predicament and in order to allay your fears that I am some khakhi-short lets replace the Granth with the Geeta. Any ways there is nothing that Nanak said that was already not in the Geeta.

All Sikhs are not Khalsa and aren't actually compulsorily required to be. There are other sects within the Sikh community which don’t subscribe to the virulent and violent streak of Sikhism to which some prosperous, foreign-based, land-owning jats have resorted to.

If we have to go by the definition of A sikh by western Akali Neo-Sikh, shaven Sikhs (or even those who use ‘fixo’ or other similar cosmetic products, to smarten-up their facial hair) are not true Sikhs; the Amli Sikhs and Ram-garhiya Sikhs are not a part of ‘true Sikhdom’; then those who eat meat, [close down all eateries in Southall of London and Soho Road of Birmingham] and those who consume alcohol [shoot that Sikh gentleman who was seen all across the world on television, swigging Whiskey from a bottle in the middle of a public part in Ealing, in mid-eighties,and shouting "Raaj kare gaa, Khaalsaa!"in his fulsome voice) or other intoxicants defile Sikh faith; and those who do not subscribe to the demand for a separate Sikh state don’t even belong to human race. Therefore, if the demand for an independent Sikh homeland in Punjab were to be considered on the basis of a ‘Sikh majority’, there are hardly any Sikhs left in Punjab or anywhere else.

Within my family, there are many members who are shaven (Mona) Sikhs; there are some who observe the sanctity of the five ‘K’s and are Amritdharis. Hindus and Sikhs have an unbroken tradition of sharing bread and blood: Roti-Beti ki rishta. There is no ethnic difference or divide between the two communities.

Also this talk of Hindus oppressing their Sikh brethren, and breaches of human rights is rather tenuous. Police brutality, and violation of citizens’ human rights, is an ugly fact of life in most countries of the East. Unforgivable, but a fact of life nevertheless. That requires a change in the ‘police-culture’ in these countries, not a rush for the creation of separate homelands for anyone who can terrorise the civilian population of the land.

To maintain thet internal needs for keeping a faith and an identity alive, the Sikh community settled abroad has shown commendable resourcefulness and zeal but these neither require nor justify demands for Khalistan, ‘the land of the pure’ and to play havoc with the secular credentials of a major democratic power in the post-colonial world.

Learned Pundits of politics in the West don't actuall support them and will some day find that the shoe has started to pinch.

I can’t say that I’m altogether surprised at this psycho response. It demonstrates the lack of maturity and erratic nature that I wish to help expose. I am not claiming that all Sikhs have this immature and erratic nature, but those who do need to be exposed for what they are: bigots who try to censor views and opinions that are different to their own.

If you read my views carefully, there is no incitement; there is no glorification or support of violence or hatred of any kind (unlike several Akli Neo-Sikh preacheres that glorify Khalistani terrorists who used to gun down dozens of civilians on a daily basis). The reason why you are getting so annoyed at what I have to say is simply because I am talking about historical facts that the Neo-Sikh want to cover up. You are just getting uptight at an alternative way of looking at historical events, and trying to suppress views that don’t agree with your own.

What you say arise from the same sort of mentality that led to the recent bomb blasts outside theatres in Delhi. The blasts ended up claiming three innocent lives, just because the theatres were showing something that certain Sikhs wanted banned. The largest Sikh organisation in the world, the SGPC, even supported the attempt to have the film banned! It also reminds one of the destructive scenes in the British city of Birmingham where a group of Sikhs vandalised a theatre in order to try to stop it from showing a play which they felt was anti-Sikh (the play’s name was 'Bezthi', and was written by Gurpreet Kaur Bhatti who is herself a Sikh).

Such behaviour has no place in a civilised society. Whether it be a small example like your response to my views, or a large incident like the bomb blasts in Delhi - attempts at censorship are always wrong. My views just goes on to show that being a Sikh by name, or a Brahmin, or any other group doesn't render one holier or better than another.

I am just exposing the various myths that are propagated by neo-Sikhs of today. These myths, which unfortuately often form the basis of a young British and Canadian Sikhs upbringing, are erroneous, bloat their egos and promote hatred towards Hindus and and thus India. The myths are created and propagated for political purposes, and many Sikhs have fallen a victim to them. I hope my views will help liberate some minds.

One need not take offence, but rather consider what is being said. I myself am a Sikh and have all the right in the world(India is a free country) to criticise things I don't agree with. The Sikh Gurus themselves were an example of this tradition of critique. What I say serves to give the other side of the story, and its contents should be used to counter the silly myths some of todays Western Sikhs have created, and labour under. Sikh in India need to learn to counter these myths when they are encountered because most neo-Sikh myths, even though they are aimed at Hindus, harm the Sikh most.

What is used to separate Sikhism from Hinduism is a distorted straw-man interpretation of Hinduism. This is where we need to bring balance by emphasizing democratic Sikhi.

The anti-Brahmin venom of Neo-Sikh is not essentially a Sikh response , for there are at least two Brahmins in SGPS, but the frustrated rant of the hidden Jatt in the garb of a Sikh. He wants to settle the score for his past low social position for which he regards Brahmin and Hinduism as the responsible parties(rightly or wrongly).

I hve considered that much of modern Neo-Sikhism is driven by not not 'discrimination' 'genocide' or other nonsense but by the notion of the SUPREMACY of the sikhs - and that supremacy being over the Hindus including the mazabi,Noormehlia, Nirankari, Sanatani, Nihang who consider themselves Hindus and therefore it is the Hindus who must be continoulsy put down.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

This is primarily driven by racism, a plague which aflicts all us Punjabis but in particular the NRI Sikhs who often beleive the most appalling prejudices about Hindus and beleive themselves to be a genetically, racially, hisotricaly and dharmicaly superior to the Hindus and had once had even going so far as to compare DNA strands but later retracted.

The Neo-Sikh dream about being the new Jews. I fear their dreams will come true.
Only in a proportaionately reverse order.

Thanks.

Gurfateh

Das can say one thing over here.

So far there was no one here who was as such supporting separte Sikh Nation and in fact this Bulleshah does not know that Sant Ji cadre were full of Hindus also.

Not only that but who were supportinh Sant Ji he did not know?

Anyway where in his So caled Hindu books term Hindu comes he did not know?


Das wanted him toprove that why we are neo Sikh(yes Das is neo convert sohe is neo Sikh),he could not.

Agernda of Gurus was not only India but to reagain the world.We can accomodate all belviersand sereve non beivlers.

We can have World as one nation.But this blody indianism Or hinduismsupport parting of worldas British,Pakistani,German etc.

Dasfinds that this guys is cuting and pasting and it is good.

But das is awareas as of Sikh or Muslim or Chritain mentailtyof semitc Faiths.

More just to self boost his loosing ego of artificial faith,he is making reslove in the minds of Sikhs more strong or it may lead to more Sikhs becmong supporters Of Khalistan.Such mentilty did made Pakistan.

Sometimes das thinks that name Bulleshah is Muslim name and perhapshe could be one of the pray of Das on the west sideof Indian border and on the Job to provoke Sikhs against Hindus.

Such people,when it comes to Hindus Run away after inviting troubles for them.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

At that time Anti hindusim peoplemay have tocome andprotect them.

Das was just thinking that what proof dowehave that Bulleshah is not a ****,trying to arise passioans in Sikhs and divert it against Hindus?


Das can say that such writng itslef are from the person,who is full of bias.

why do there is trouble with Hindus in Assaam or Manpur?

Or why Naxals are not letting das rest?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

If you are realy son of Hindu like Das himslef then better take care of them.

And if you have gutsgoand say this on the faceof Sikhs in UK or Cananda or say one sitting one the breatof you Bharat Mata on HP,punajb borg\der and supported by Congress Government.

why das is saying it over here is that as far as das is concerned over here ost of Sikhs arenot the like one which you are trying to potray.

But as we have comunty based faith(unlike racial hinduism,which even at one timesupported Adolf Hitlerastobehold Arya as race,while it is also a faith).Even your condemenignand talking about such people willmake our younger genration attracted towrads them.

Yuo can talk more and more but rember,over here and at other Sikh sites also,such things will goreverse to your intention.Das knows,the faith and it is guranted that it will happen.


Das agree to mnay things you route but your style proves that you are never A Sikh but an imposter,either actaulydisguntled hindutva guy or perhapsone soldout to Pakistan as mnay ofyouown Lauh Purush Advani was.

Can you tell das even a single of your Hindu leader we can get inspiration,While we do not dirth of guys read to die for thier casue in our Faith.

There could be something that scarfise gestrue comes.

But as Hindu blood is in you and youcan not think outside India and are selfish only to your race if at all you are a Hindu.

Dear Bulleshah

Thanks for the response !

First of all I will ask for any Forgiveness if my response was bit hrash or bitter but I did it intentially just to test you as a person ( As I am one of the moderator here)

Now Dear Bulleshah

as i mentioned earlier YOu are definately Misguided and most probably on purpose ( as pointed by Vijaydeep as he more expert on such issues)

And most importantly Misinformed about everything including Sikhism , General Knowledge and also History

Now I have no Interest left in you as I have conculded that you are here to preach and not inquire in Sikhi So best of luck and I will not disturb untill unless you behave really badly on the forum
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

Few Things for your and others reading this disscusion

1.I have no relation with UK,USA Culture or Sikhs in specific but bulleshaw is free to call what evername he chooses

2.I have nothing Against Hindus /Muslim or what so ever no matter where they belong and I am strongly Against Armed Struggle for Any Khalistan and people on this forum know this better from by presense here

3. Infact I can say by challenge all with Akals Grace that if need arises in future I will prove more Nationalistic and patriotic than average selfish HIndu how will just prefer closing there eyes at time of need
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

By saying so I jsut want to say that what Sikhism has taught me is to Work as instument of AKal and be part of fight against injustice whether it India or what ever place in World


4. SIKH Rehat maryada clearly says About meat eating and it is alowed (except Halal) but still every body has there preferences ( may be like your Amritdhari family members)

You rightly pointed out that Alcohol just like other Intoxicant are prohibited in Sikhi

5.YOur mention about Play Behzti
either you are ill informed or you deliberately do so but just make it clear that this play was not Anti sikh but wasmade by some body who was quite insenstive to sikh feeling even though born in sikh family like you
And in the play the objection was not against the play but against the various symbols and Guru Ji saroop uses and potraying of rape scene by granthi in premesis ( As it was Fiction so personally me many others like me had no objections against it) Theater was infirmed peacefully to alter the various things including Religious signs but they disagreed nad there was no violence involved except a single act of stone throwing by irritaed people standing outside Theater sincemorning but still Play wass not stoppped and For your information this play was officialy brought down later on


6. as mentioned earlier It has become your habit to ask and paste same things again and again even they have been answered alredy just Like You Say Guru Nanak Dev Ji had Nothing New to say amd so on

7. In last I will agin say that as it might appear to you no body here is trying to prove or really believe in this idea that Sikhs have SUPREMACY or whatever .
Sikhism is for humility and sikh for a humble being but the one who know well how to tackle nonsense because he is SAINT SOILDER as well

And you anybody can become even YOu but not just by pointing what Guru NANAK wrote Wrote or MIseed But instead reading and applying in your life whether it is GEETA or Guru Granth Sahib which ever you ego finds Handy




Jatinder Singh





So please Grow up !

Gurfateh

Das can say that there aremany internal issues of Hindus like Naxislim or ulfaism metisim,which need more things to elaborate.

Anyway if bulleshah has faith in God then let him understand that as he was making fun of Sikhs and thier nationhood,

only Hindu Nation of the wrold ie Nepal is now secular.So hindus lost thier last nation and that is within last one weak.Person gets punshed yet reapets sin.This is only the beginging.

Mrs Sonia Mano will do all that for them to didivde them as writtasn in thier text that at one timeBrahmins of thier kinds will be found only between Himlayas and Ganges(Bhavishay Purana),Bulleshah fights against thier own Purana and own demigod Vishnu.

do support caste and propogate it,Those whoso ever are lfet in hindusim will leeave it.14% of indians are upper caste and only 2% of them are pro caste.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

Otehr lowers castes may have own wrong caste condieration didving further the socilty.

drkhalsa,

Mardana, Nanak's companion, used to sing devotional songs of Kabir, Ravidas,
Trilochan, Beni, Dhanna and Nanak. He also composed verses, three of which are
included in the Adi Granth in 'Bihagre ki Var'. They are against the use of wine
which brings about misery, lust, pride, self-conceit, falsehood, ill health and disease.
He says :
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

"The barmaid is misery, wine is lust; man is the drinker
The cup filled with worldly love is wrath, and it is served by pride
The company is false and covetous, and is ruined by excess of drink
Instead of such wine make good conduct thy clarified butter, and modesty thy meat to eat
Such things, O Nanak, are obtained by the Guru's favour; by par-taking of them sins depart."

Then there is Kabir in the Guru Granth-ji :
ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai. ||1||
"Je tuhn eh aakhda hain ki khuda sab jeevan vich maujood hai taan murgi kyon maarda hain"
You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||
page 1350, Guru Granth-ji.

Why do you need some Hukamaama or some Rehat Maryada. Is the Guru Grath not enough.
When the Dasam-Pitah said 'sab sikhaan ko hukum hai Guru manyo Granth' that's exactly
what he meant. He never meant Guru manyo SGPC clowns.

OK...Guru Gobing ordered a few goats to be killed. Someone please inform me
as to what he relished most. Pota ? Kalegi ? Seena ? Kapoora ? Paya soup ?

Grow up...

OK...there is some verse by Nanak in the Guru-Granth-Ji. But what does it mean.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815
Only that Nank and Kabir don't really agree with each other on everything.
They both can't be right.The Guru-Granth or for that matter any scripture is not to be taken at face value.

Thanks.

Gurfateh

das often see Bro Bulleshah going after Sikhs being formed to rpotect Hindus.

Thing is hindus by themselves are great and power full so why should other comminty be formed.As a Sikh,Faiths ahs been rpotecting all in needs andn not only Hindus.

And Guru clearly states in Ugrdanti that when Khalsa Panth will roar in universe,Faith will be awake and Hindus' all mist will run away.

If we use Gurbani greemer and let it sound with bindi and n so it way be like thatb

Hindus all mist,will be broken.

no Hindu can say like that.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8815

Anyway never in hindu a scriputre or community is givne the status of Guru.


since the time of First master pseudo Brahminism is there to end us.But we are not Budhist as we have faith in our God and who is in all hindus also.Thier own power lies in us as our God only controls them.