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yeh and putting up pictures of bhagat singh by congress and projecting
him as their hero is a great respect to him.the same congress who betrayed bhagat singh.

No one betrayed Bhagat Singh. Bhagat Singh betrayed himself.

OK, He killed a policeman. What happened ?? He was nabbed, charge-sheeted,
produced before a magistrate and the executed. End of story.

He got carried away with all that Lenin-Bukakin-revolution nonsense. Trying to
bring down a Super Power the kind Britan was with a country-made pistol
cannot be called courage. It's fool-hardiness.
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Das agrees to yuo here but this guy wanted to get access to public so he got himslef cohught after putinhg bomb in assembly.

This persono had more to do with repbilcan and socialism and congress was nothing more then pseudo socialist and trying to replce white oppreessors by brown or native opprerssors.Anyway if you visit any Sangh Parivar book store they also try to paint the chin of Bhagat Singh with sknin colour to show him patit.

If you want that can scan it and put it online as some other member put it here and how false people try to do false.
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Dear Friends,

On my reading of Indian history and the independence struggle one of the people that I have most time for is Bhagat Singh

Martyed at the age of 23 with Sukhdev Thapar and Hariram Rajguru his name remains as a shining example of a shaheed

I note howver that recently the neo- Sikhs have begin to appropriate his name - many books and gurudwaras are showing his paintings and pics as a 'keshdhari' Sikh whilst in jail- Some have even coined a story that whilst in jail he reverted from hsi atheist beleifs and became a 'true beleiver'

The facts are otherwise:

(1) His own letters and writings reflect his non beleif in God
(2) His family who visited him in jail attest that he did not become a keshdhari on his martyrdom
(3) as do the eyewitnessess in jail

It is impossible to beleive that such a heroic and ideological man , willing to lay down his life for his principles (even if we dont agree with all of them) would at the last instant turn back on those very beleifs

Even is he was a socialist/communist does it make his sacrifice any less ?

Most of the violent struggle against the British was left leaning and groups like the RSS , the Akalis et all did little for the independence struggle in comparison.

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Something that might interest you...

Chech-out Bhagat Singh's photo on this website supported by Shahid Bhagat Singh Research Committee, Ludhiana...
http://www.shahidbhagatsingh.org/sbsphotos.asp



Not check this one out on one of our Neo-Sikh-Akali website...
http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/personalities/bhagat.html





Isn't this laughable ?? planting a beard on bhagat singh...pretty shoddy job too...
Why are the Sikh in the west lying to their own children ?? Grow up guys lest you make yourselves the laughing stock of the world.

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Putting up pictures of Bhagat Singh in Guru-dwara's is an insult to the Guru-dwara as well as to the memory of a great martyr like Bhagat Singh. Those who do that respect neither Sikhism nor Bhagat. He should be respected for what he was and what he stood for. And he did stand for what he believed in till his last breath.

It's not just Bhagat Singh the Akali and Neo-Sikh clowns are messing with. Look at how they treat the Dasam-Granth. Almost as if it doesn't exist. It might not be taken as a religious doctrine coz' Sikhism itself promoted scepticism through it's Guru's but the fact that it was written and that too by the Dasam-Pitaah is reason enough for it to be read. By all who believe in him. Or want to.

There has been considerable controversy surrounding some of the writings attributed to him, with the suggestion being made that they fail to fit into some aspects of the Sikh religion. Macauliffe, a British officer, was mainly responsible for seeding the question, with an effort to separate Sikhs from Hindus.

Now, all the cannons of purchased media are booming against Guru Gobind Singh and his writings and have been even labelled by some as an RSS-Brahminical propaganda. Every-thing Hindu is our enemy they proclaim. Superstitious we all cry.

But if we find the Jutti of any Guru we start bowing from a 100 yards to pay our respect . If some body found some stone at some place and said that these are the stones which one of the Guru's used in Modi Khana, we build Big Gurdwawa's and Mela's are held and the stones are worshipped . If some body said that Guru Gobind Singh drank milk in a holed Jug we spend loads of money to pay homage.

Now, if some poetic compositions, even if purely literary but definitely seen as Dasam-Guru's work, at some ocassions were collected by Bhai Mani Singh after so many years of the Guru's departure, what is the harm in it ?? Are these worthless than a Jutti and stones ??

The Hindu's too can challenge these Coffee-shop Sikh of Toronto and London. How can we abuse a Brahamin in the domocratic world . The Brahamana is considered preist by the Hindus. An equivalent of the Granthi. The Vedas contain lot of pronography but none of the Hindus or their shakraacharyas have ever raised the question of pronography and it's removal from Vedas .Let us see when ever such demand is raised how do the Hindu devouts rataliate. And if you ask me... I am sure they will give me all the reason in the world to continue to be proud of whatever I believe in. I am a real Sikh. A Sikh-Hindu. Searching for the truth. Maintaining a distance from those who claim to have found it.

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Cut the crap...are you one of these New Age Brahmins?

www.sikh-history.com is the number one sikh history web site and for you to rubbish it and accuse it of being a Neo-sikh site says more about your mentatlity than about sikh-history.com. If that picture has been doctored then it certainly wasn't by us.

And what the hell is a Sikh-Hindu........sounds like an oxymoron to me.
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Dear Randip, but why this doctored picture on sikh-history.com ??
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Re: Bhagat Singh and the Khalistani.

J.A.T.T,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8786

This picture you provided of Bhagat Singh was taken in 1927 when he was 20.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8786



Check the other picture taken in 1929 when he was 21+



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vijaydeepsingh,

The photo's I posted have not been scanned. The photos are from
a site supported by Shahid Bhagat Singh Research Committee, Ludhiana
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with a view to make available the original Photographs and documents
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of Shahid Bhagat Singh and his Copatriots alongwith documnets and
photographs of Indian Independence Strugle.

Not some Pathetic Toronto/London Sipahi putting doctored photos of Bhagat Singh
on sikhhistory. Are they so desperate for a hero??

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yeh and putting up pictures of bhagat singh by congress and projecting
him as their hero is a great respect to him.the same congress who betrayed bhagat singh.
No one betrayed Bhagat Singh. Bhagat Singh betrayed himself.
OK, He killed a policeman. What happened ?? He was nabbed, charge-sheeted,
produced before a magistrate and the executed. End of story.
He got carried away with all that Lenin-Bukakin-revolution nonsense. Trying to
bring down a Super Power the kind Britan was with a country-made pistol
cannot be called courage. It's fool-hardiness.
Thanks.
it is a well known fact that gandhi could have saved bhagat singh.
http://www.boloji.com/people/04002.htm
That's why it was so benumbing to the nation, when Bhagat Singh died. Most possibly, he could have been saved with an effort by the Congress in general, and the Mahatma in particular. But that was not supposed to be.
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even in the film on bhagat singh it is shown that
after the death of bhagat singh the suppoters were saying "gandhi hai hai" .
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Dear Randip, but why this doctored picture on sikh-history.com ??
These pictures have been taken from sources in good faith. If they have been doctored we will remove them. However, there is no doubt Bhagat Singh had a turban and beard right up to about 20.

However, the dimwitted accusation this New Age Brahmin Bulleshah is making has no basis. He is just on Sikh forums to create trouble. He is an internet troll and fool who has been defeated (and probably banned) from in the Sikh-History.com Forums. Unfortunately when you come to the www.sikh-history.com forums you had better know your history darn well or you will be shot down. This Bullehshah (or his alias) was shot down in all likelyhood, hence his attacks.
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it is a well known fact that gandhi could have saved bhagat singh.
http://www.boloji.com/people/04002.htm
That's why it was so benumbing to the nation, when Bhagat Singh died.
Most possibly, he could have been saved with an effort by the Congress
in general, and the Mahatma in particular. But that was not supposed to be.
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even in the film on bhagat singh it is shown that 
after the death of bhagat singh the suppoters were saying
"gandhi hai hai".

Bhagat Singh and two others had sent off a letter to the Viceroy because their friends coaxed them to do so.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8786
But in that letter they had not asked for clemency. Instead they asked the Viceroy to treat them as prisoners
of war and hence to shoot them rather than hang them. With this letter now available, it is no use lamenting
on Gandhiji's stand, whatever that was, because Bhagat Singh did not relish the idea of asking for a pardon.
This is evident from the fact that a friend of his (Prannath Mehta) visited him in the jail on March 20 with a
draft letter for clemency but he declined to sign it.

It will be proper to sit in judgment on the matter only after knowing the background of the Gandhi-Irwin pact.
This first ever agreement between the Raj and the Congress came after two years of turmoil in the country
in the form of a non-violent civil disobedience struggle. After the Congress passed its Poorna Swaraj resolution
in December 1929, Gandhiji devised the 450-kilometre Dandi March to shake the rural people out of inaction
and break the Salt Law, as a token of disobedience. The chain of events that followed showed that the extent
of sacrifice needed for a non-violent struggle was no less than what was required for a violent struggle. Apart
from making monetary and career sacrifices, the participants showed, in the face of police torture, a level of
physical courage that would have been required in a violent struggle. By December that year almost all leaders,
including Gandhiji, were rounded up and jails in the country were full. Finally, thanks to the mediation of
moderates like Tej Bahadur Sapru, the government came forward to talk to the satyagrahis. As a precondition
the leaders were released in January 1931. Gandhiji stayed in Delhi where later he convened a meeting of the
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Congress Working Committee.

Accounts of the parleys between the Congress and the government between February 17 and March 5 indicate
that frequently there were delicate moments of stalemate, long arguments over a phrase or a word, objections
from colleagues and so on. Many a time Gandhiji was seen off by the Viceroy after midnight and the former
would walk down to his residence at Dr. Mukhtar Ahmad Ansari's house, which was 8 km away. It was on this
occasion that Winston Churchill made the nasty remark describing Gandhiji as a half-naked fakir.
Disturbed by the endless discussions, he had said: "It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi,
a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the East, striding
half-naked up the steps of the Viceregal Palace... to parley on equal terms with the representative
of the King Emperor."

The outcome of the talks was a mixed one. Each leader was unhappy about specific parts of the pact.
Subhas Chandra Bose, for example, told the leftists among Congressmen: "Between us and the British
lies an ocean of blood and a mountain of corpses. Nothing on earth can induce us to accept this compromise
which Gandhiji had signed." On the whole, the Congress had to accept the pact because the Working
Committee was with Gandhiji at every stage of the discussions. But the militants and their supporters
would not have it. What is the use of a truce that does not get amnesty for Bhagat Singh and his colleagues?
Wherever Gandhiji went, youngsters with red flags encountered him with questions; sometimes he was even
manhandled. At the All India Congress Committee (AICC) meeting in Karachi they shouted: "Gandhi's truce
sent Bhagat Singh to the gallows."

WHILE parading through history, it would be unfair to Gandhiji if one does not record his efforts in this case.
He was not a mere politician but a humanist at the core. He got 90,000 political prisoners other than
satyagrahis released under the pretext of "relieving political tension". He did plead for the commutation
of the death sentence of the three heroes, Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev, also. But he did not succeed
because the Viceroy's moves were governed from England and these three were a challenge to the Raj and
thus were not thought fit for pardon. In fact, he wrote a letter to the Viceroy on the day of their execution,
pleading fervently for commutation, not knowing that the letter would be too late.

Otherwise a leader who spearheaded a successful, unique, non-violent agitation that attracted the attention
of the press the world over and drew millions, including women and children who showed a rare spirit of sacrifice,
need not have made so many concessions to the government. In such a situation he could not have been
expected to win on the major issue of commutation of death sentences.

He said in Karachi: "I might have done one more thing, you say. I might have made the
commutation a term of settlement. It could not be done so. And to threaten withdrawal now
would be a breach of faith." But this should not be taken as a manifestation of a lukewarm
feeling towards Bhagat Singh.

These are the things that made Gandhi a Mahatma. You give your word, you keep that word.

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GurfatehBro Bulleshah Ji,

The picture of Bhagat Singh as given below was also with Mandinder Jeet Singh bitta of Anti Terrostst Front and he had as claimed to be real one.
can you see the the chains in the hand of Bhagat Singh Ji,


As per Bitta these are the photos of him taken in jail and that also was told that he was jailed only after bombing assembly.At that time he was likke the way you want him to be.

But at his end as his last photo is one which is attached by das.

So he went into jail without hairs but in jail he grew that up.
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In fact mnay terrosists or freedom figherts whichever you call them in Kahlistan movment also did change the face for covert operations.

In das's depratment many Sikhs may have to change the face,Das even had to wear helmet once.
but unlike in hindus when once say eaten beef,always outcaste(say father of das keeps utensiles separte for das).

but here we have mechanism of Tankha ie reconversion and sometime pardoning by faith.
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It is what Svatrana Veer Sarkar conceptulsied in his book Gomantak.


anyway in orrisa still we ahve that reconverts from chrisitnaity to Hindusim as per thier Shankracharyas are not allowed in Commone Hindu Temple but ,speacial Swastik Temples are to be made for them.


Yuo could see that in Harmandir Sahib ,we have had white Ragi Chris Mony Singh.but we can not have negro Brahmin in Jagganth Temple.

This is insptire of the fact that we have whole procedure to make a neggro Brahmin by Jagyopweet Sanskara as meanioned in various Samritis or Brahman Granthas.

Das was disccusing this with Brother Balbeerr Singh Ji,that in Gurmat both Ygyopweet and Cicumsention are not discouraged but,what is encouraged is to understand their meanings.


Forgive das if das ever un intenetonaly offended you.Das is at oyu side as in gurmatwe do not have concept of good or evil and all is good as God is in all.
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