How Many Sikhs Have Married Out Of Caste/Race?

If we go by the Hindu caste system, the Jatts were seen Sakas and fallen Kshatriya's condemed to be Sudra's (if you read Manu Smirti thats what it says).

In village life you have a weird set up, where a Jatt see's himself as the highest because he owns the land. A Brahman, who is landless is looked down upon by the Jatt, yet the Bahman calls the Jatt a Sudra. You have the Khatri who see's himself as Kshatriya, yet is seen by others as a Bania. The Bania is despised by the Jatt. The Tarkhan works alongside the Jatt and of equal staus but is seen as lower by the Jatt, and the Tarkhan looks down upon the Jatt because he see's himself as a descendent of Vishwakarma the creator, and so it goes on and on and on and on.

I can't see how this has a place in our modern society.

In order to save Sikhi, and the message of our Great Guru's we must let go of these things and learn to respect one another.

On culture and diversity I think people have a bigger loyalty to area and village. For example, the Misl leaders had one thing in common. They were all Majhails.

 
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Randip Singh

Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.
They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.
Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Page 1289
Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh

Devote Sikh doesn't believe in Caste.
However, if you are going to use the name of Guru Gobind Singh ji than:
You have to be Khalsa
You have to follow the and keep the Five K
YOU have to marry a partner same as you are same religion
Caste is no Bar when you are true Sikh & Khalsa

gurisK pRIiq guru imlY glwty ]
gurasikh preeth gur milai galaattae ||
The GurSikh loves to meet and embrace the Guru.
iqau siqgur isK pRIiq hir hir kI guru isK rKY jIA nwlI ]2]
thio sathigur sikh preeth har har kee gur sikh rakhai jeea naalee ||2||
In just the same way, the True Guru loves His Sikhs. The Lord cherishes His GurSikhs, and keeps them clasped to His Heart

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jwqI ECw pwqI ECw ECw jnmu hmwrw ]
jaathee oushhaa paathee oushhaa oushhaa janam hamaaraa ||Page,486
My social status is low, my ancestry is low, and my birth is low as well.

moh cIkiV PwQy inGrq hm jwqy hir bWh pRBU pkrwie jIau ]
moh cheekarr faathhae nigharath ham jaathae har baa(n)h prabhoo pakaraae jeeo ||page:446
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I am stuck in the swamp of emotional attachment, and I am sinking. O Lord God, please, take me by the arm.

I hope you will get some of the understanding
Gurfateh

Randip Singh ji

Do you see this pattern changing to any significant extent? I am afraid that I do not. The Jatt identity is being promoted on a steep upward curve on web sites and facebook pages. If other groups don't seem to be doing the same, it may simply be there are fewer of them.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh,
Imarried a girl of Walia family 30 years ago where as it was quite impossible to do so
at that time,to go ahead,for out of caste marriage.Caste is no bar for a Sikh but important is that your would be life partner should be preferably Amritdhari and would be couples nature, habbits and life style should also match with each other so that they can understand each other well and live in such a way that the forthcoming life may not be a compromise but an understandingful and submissive life .
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May Ibeg pardon if something wrong has been stated above.
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

I wish more people were like you Narayanjot. I can almost blindly agree to every post I've read of yours on SPN. God bless you.
That facebook group- I couldn't believe it, I joined it just to talk to the people who were a part of it and could not have a proper discussion as their level of arrogance would not allow it. It's alright though, everything happens in Hukam. I still love them all!

One thing I don't understand is that this day in age, why can't human beings just marry other human beings who they believe are a good match and just not have "caste" a factor at all? Everyone looks at something a little different - one person may be looking for an independent, career-oriented woman/man, and someone else might be looking for a really good looking but otherwise introverted house wife. Who cares, the point is, whatever factors or qualities you are looking for in someone else, "caste" should just not be a factor at all. If you happen by chance to marry in your caste, fine, if you marry outside of your caste, who cares. It'd be even better if everyone just quit talking about caste and in a few generations no one would know what caste their ancestors were in. Certainly would simplify things.
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I don't know why in 2010 it continues to be an issue. Another reason I'm atheist.

amrit.saggu ji

Probably we do have to "love them." In any walk of life, those people who are most arrogant are also those who most frightened deep down inside. Perhaps frightened the life will pass them by, that they will lose something important, that their fears will be greater than they can handle -- and so they strike poses and live in their myths to feel safe. So they do need a lot of love. Thinking of that -- then it is also probably also true that those who have no need to be arrogant already feel "loved" within, feel strong, do not need the myth because they have found their strength in "His Hukam." That is what hukam is there to do -- support us.

Heh we can of course marry anybody we wish to. My wife is Athiest for example.

GURU roop Sadh Sangat jeeo,
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh.
Caste system realy needs to be eradicated from Sikhi.
But no one is doing some thing for practical implication of the same and everybodyjust talks ,gives quotes from Gurbaani . Can any body from so called higher castes can marry his daugtrer/son to a boy /daughter from
so called lower caste? If yes,it is O.K. and if no , please forgive me , we are only so called Sikhs or BHEKHI SIKHSand not real SIKHS.

Bhai Nand Lal (Singh) ji in his Rehatnama ,has mentioned at a place:-
"Amrit ko paani kahe ,Sikh ki poochhahe jaat.
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Kahe GOBIND SINGH Nand Lal ji ,so sikh jampur jaat."
(Whenever we ask some sikh as to which jaat he/she belongs,we
are marching ahead towards NARAK.)

Gurbani tells us,
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"JAAT PAAT NAHI POOCHHE KOI,HAR KO BHAJE SO NAR KA HOI."
AND
"NEECHAN ANDER NEECH JAAT NEECHI HOO ATT NEECH,
NAANAK TIN KE SANG SAATH,VADDEAN SIO KYA REES"
These teachings of gurbaani are more strongly supporting this aspect of
spirit told in rehatnama about JAAT.
Bhul Chuk Khima ,
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Ironically, Mr Atheist, many of the people who I know who do believe in caste are also atheists. Oxymoron or what hey?